Evolution of what?

[YoursTrue]

it is really astonishing how creationists are still be stuck on this…not understanding what the word “ape” mean, in biological context & usage.

Apes or Hominoidea, isn’t a SPECIES classification…it is a SUPERFAMILY classification.

As you should know that in biology, there are a number of taxon classification from species, all the way to domain.

Evolution actually occurred at species-levels. Everything above species (eg genus, family, class, order, etc), are classifications that define & explain the common or shared physical & genetic traits, between species.

For instance, the word mammal (class Mammalian) is a description of any organisms that have the physical feature - the mammary glands - eg nipples, and for female mammals, they are used to nurse the young, humans have them, as do dogs, horses, cow, tigers, dolphins, whales, etc. They are all mammals, but ”mammal“ isn’t a species classification, it’s a class. Human is a mammal, but so are horse, giraffe and whale.

i don’t see why so many creationists are so biology illiterates that they cannot grasp “ape” isn’t a “species”, but are superclass Hominoidea (or apes). Humans are apes, as are chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutang, gibbons. The family Hominidae or “great apes” are those mentioned, but the gibbon belonged to a different family (Hylobatidea, the “lesser apes”).

Humans didn’t evolve from apes, they are apes. They are also primates (Order) and mammals (Class Mammalia), and they are animals (Kingdom Animalia), amniotes (Amniota, clade of the Tetrapoda), tetrapods (Superclass Tetrapoda, “limbed vertebrates”, featuring have 4 limbs), vertebrates (Subphylum Vertebrata, “vertebral column”); all of these are classifications of organisms that shared the same physical & genetic traits, and these are not names of species.


Ive listed the Amniota, as the clade of the superclass Tetrapoda. Amniotes are organisms that either lay their eggs on dry lands as reptiles and birds do, or the fetus gestated in the womb of mother organism as what most mammals do. The amniotes distinguish from the anamniotes, as the anamniotes lay their eggs in water environments, as fishes and amphibians.

if you may have noticed, I wrote “most mammals“ carry the fetus for a period of time before live birth. The exception among mammals are the species of platypuses and species of echidna, they are the only oddities among mammals that lay their eggs like birds and reptiles do.

The point is that humans are apes. And apes are not species.

btw, humans are not species, it is a genus Homo. There were other earlier and extinct animals species of Homo, but the Homo sapiens are the only species of Homo that are extant today. The Homo sapiens evolved from one of these earlier species, the Homo heidelbergensis; the Homo heidelbergensis are humans too.

Look - from what I understand humans are classified as apes. And the "Common Ancestor" of "apes" is as yet unknown and undiscovered. Unless you have more information about that. So chimpanzees you would say evolved from apes, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

I get it. The knowledge and chain of events has never been perfected in a written form to learn from, just like the religious opinions are still open and why the long sought messiah is awaited. Too many tangents to how knowledge is accumulated and the lack of integrity within many readers and writers.

I use the embryo example to evidence, that a single celled living system can enable a conscious life. But that model also perfects the fact that the parents, their life (light) can and does convey from generation to generation. In pure form, our ancestors of biblical times is still here as us, alive and in the flesh. (raised)

Nope. The knowledge and chain of events has never been seen as said to have been accomplished. It can be surmised by dates and forms but it has not been seen as said to have been done.

 

[gnostic]

Look - from what I understand humans are classified as apes. And the "Common Ancestor" of "apes" is as yet unknown and undiscovered. Unless you have more information about that. So chimpanzees you would say evolved from apes, right?

you still don’t get it, even after a number of examples I have given you.

Apes or Hominodea are not the name of “species”. It is general classification for all tailless primates.

So Homo sapiens are Homonidea (apes), as are chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutan, gibbon and other extant primates.

The question is why you would agree that Homo sapiens are mammals, but you cannot accept Homo sapiens are apes too?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

As things unfold for some, they might see it. I obviously can't answer all questions.

To be honest, I cannot recall you answering questions. You respond, but often to questions not asked of you. Or in ways that are difficult to know what it is that you are talking about.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Nope. The knowledge and chain of events has never been seen as said to have been accomplished. It can be surmised by dates and forms but it has not been seen as said to have been done.

Sure it has. Evolution has been observed. Here's a video of bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Look - from what I understand humans are classified as apes. And the "Common Ancestor" of "apes" is as yet unknown and undiscovered. Unless you have more information about that. So chimpanzees you would say evolved from apes, right?

And that gap does nothing to thwart the theory of evolution or human evolution. I don't know why you keep bringing it up as if it means something.

 

[YoursTrue]

And that gap does nothing to thwart the theory of evolution or human evolution. I don't know why you keep bringing it up as if it means something.

I can see that you believe that. Hey! have a good one. You, too. Remember -- humans evolve from -- apes, right? I guess you can say chimps evolved from apes. Right? Some ape, somewhere somehow. Who needs details when you have the theory?

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure it has. Evolution has been observed. Here's a video of bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics.

That is not evolution. It's simply observation of chemical elements reacting.

 

[YoursTrue]

@Dan From Smithville Either you are an ape or you evolved from apes, according to someone's theory, hmm?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That is not evolution. It's simply observation of chemical elements reacting.

That is the evolution of bacteria. Sorry. I know that you want to deny evidence and suggest that others do too, but that's is your business. The rest of us don't have to.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

@Dan From Smithville Either you are an ape or you evolved from apes, according to someone's theory, hmm?

You did too. But I understand. Your faith group demands that things like this be denied or else.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is the evolution of bacteria. Sorry. I know that you want to deny evidence and suggest that others do too, but that's is your business. The rest of us don't have to.

It's a chemical reaction. The components set up by humans.

You did too. But I understand. Your faith group demands that things like this be denied or else.

The Bible does not say we are animals. Your faith group probably does. (Have a good one.)

 

[Heyo]

i don’t see why so many creationists are so biology illiterates that they cannot grasp “ape” isn’t a “species”, but are superclass Hominoidea (or apes). Humans are apes, as are chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutang, gibbons. The family Hominidae or “great apes” are those mentioned, but the gibbon belonged to a different family (Hylobatidea, the “lesser apes”).

It's not the biology they struggle with, it's the maths, or more generally, abstract thinking. So, Darwin is not their real Enemy but Linné. The words set, class or taxon have no meaning for them.
Maybe we should use more Venn diagrams to teach them than phylogenetic trees, that's more of a visual aid to understanding sets.

 

[McBell]

Who needs details when you have the theory?

Please give the details behind your belief concerning the diversity of the animal kingdom.

 

[YoursTrue]

You did too. But I understand. Your faith group demands that things like this be denied or else.

Either you are an ape, according to you, or you evolved from -- apes. There is simply no denying it according to your belief. Thank you so much for continuing.

 

[Bthoth]

Nope. The knowledge and chain of events has never been seen as said to have been accomplished. It can be surmised by dates and forms but it has not been seen as said to have been done.

ok nice wording. The knowledge is not recorded for people to read for themselves.

OK. Just like the religious claims; Nothing documenting the actual events and time periods.

But what is clear is knowledge is evolving and developing to help the next generations.

 

[Heyo]

Look - from what I understand humans are classified as apes.

Do you really? I have my doubts. Could you draw a Venn diagram of humans, chimpanzees, great apes, orangutans and apes?

And the "Common Ancestor" of "apes" is as yet unknown and undiscovered. Unless you have more information about that. So chimpanzees you would say evolved from apes, right?

You realise that classification can be viewed without taking ancestry into account, do you?
That was done for 100 years from the time Linné developed the systematic classification until Darwin explained it with common descent. You need to understand 18th century biology to start viewing 19th century biology.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is not evolution. It's simply observation of chemical elements reacting.

No. that is bacteria advancing towards the center as they evolve resistance to antibiotics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Either you are an ape, according to you, or you evolved from -- apes. There is simply no denying it according to your belief. Thank you so much for continuing.

It is actually both. The common ancestor that we share with chimps was an ape. The common ancestor that humans and chimps share with a gorilla was an ape. The common ancestor that humans, chimps, and gorillas share with orangutans was an ape. I would have to look up to see how far back apes go in time. But I would bet it is at least 15 million years.

 

[YoursTrue]

ok nice wording. The knowledge is not recorded for people to read for themselves.

OK. Just like the religious claims; Nothing documenting the actual events and time periods.

But what is clear is knowledge is evolving and developing to help the next generations.

Too bad about the ones that have suffered and are still suffering. Hey, have a good one. Also -- all the chemicals produced, interesting...

Companies Knew the Dangers of PFAS 'Forever Chemicals'—and Kept Them Secret

Manufacturers DuPont and 3M kept their knowledge secret, taking a page from the tobacco industry, a new study reveals.

time.com

my oh my what a secret kept for a while...