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Evolution of what?

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Do you really? I have my doubts. Could you draw a Venn diagram of humans, chimpanzees, great apes, orangutans and apes?

You realise that classification can be viewed without taking ancestry into account, do you?
That was done for 100 years from the time Linné developed the systematic classification until Darwin explained it with common descent. You need to understand 18th century biology to start viewing 19th century biology.
Sorry, someone that is an avid believer in evolution here said it. I did not. I'm only questioning it as to whether you believe or evolutionists say that humans evolved from -- apes. Lots of apes? are humans apes? (what's the story?) If I have time I'll look for the post...:) Do you consider yourself a human-ape-animal?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sounds like you argument against evolution is that we don't know everything about everything remotely connected to biology and somehow you think that allows you to dismiss the whole thing.
No, that's not my argument against evolution. I'm saying that the thesis just simply cannot be proved in detail. Experiments are done, chemicals put together by humans that are said to "prove" the theory, but going over all that -- are humans apes? Science says so, doesn't it?
 

McBell

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No, that's not my argument against evolution. I'm saying that the thesis just simply cannot be proved in detail. Experiments are done, chemicals put together by humans that are said to "prove" the theory, but going over all that -- are humans apes? Science says so, doesn't it?
Please give the details behind your belief concerning the diversity of the animal kingdom.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
@Dan From Smithville Hi ya Dan! So let's see -- "modern apes" as claimed above did not become humans. I suppose you might think ancient apes did? Also -- that humans ARE apes -- but not from the modern kind...
Yes, modern apes did not become humans. In other words chimpanzees did not evolve into human beings. The ancestor that we share with chimps was neither a human being nor was it a chimp. But that ancestor was still an ape.

And before you ask: Todd.
 

McBell

Unbound
What the frack!!? Are you a fuzzy snake now?
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Snakes are not fuzzy.
This is a furpent...
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Please give the details behind your belief concerning the diversity of the animal kingdom.
Um...there ARE NO details. Here is what I will say: science simply cannot in any way beyond conjecture show/prove/demonstrate that fish eventually became humans. Land roving fish or fish with 4 legs do not prove/show/demonstrate that they eventually evolved to become apes. You may think so; others may think so; I no longer do. Because there really IS no demonstrable proof, and yes, proof is the only word possible here. Fish remain fish. Chimpanzees remain chimpanzees. (Humans remain humans.) I used to believe what "science" taught me in school. I believe that vaccines can help mitigate the ill effects of some diseases. I am not against science. Imagining the evolution of fish to humans (first apes, then humans from some unknown common ancestor ape) is something I no longer believe because -- it (1) is not provable, (2) is not demonstrable, (3) fossils that appear to look like apes or fish or birds do not prove/demonstrate/show the various forms evolved. (Have a good one...)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
This really doesn't say anything. Out and undefinable about what regarding mutations?

So you examined the entire field, weighed all the evidence and arguments of the last 200 years, and you are close to giving your fully unbiased, completely knowledgeable judgment on the central theory of biology?
I'm not a scientist but I can ask questions.
 

McBell

Unbound
Um...there ARE NO details. Here is what I will say: science simply cannot in any way beyond conjecture show/prove/demonstrate that fish eventually became humans. Land roving fish or fish with 4 legs do not prove/show/demonstrate that they eventually evolved to become apes. You may think so; others may think so; I no longer do. Because there really IS no demonstrable proof, and yes, proof is the only word possible here. Fish remain fish. Chimpanzees remain chimpanzees. (Humans remain humans.) I used to believe what "science" taught me in school. I believe that vaccines can help mitigate the ill effects of some diseases. I am not against science. Imagining the evolution of fish to humans (first apes, then humans from some unknown common ancestor ape) is something I no longer believe because -- it (1) is not provable, (2) is not demonstrable, (3) fossils that appear to look like apes or fish or birds do not prove/demonstrate/show the various forms evolved. (Have a good one...)
That is ok.
I really did not expect you to even understand the question.
An you fully demonstrate you did not.

You have a nice a day now.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not a scientist but I can ask questions.
You don't know the science, you don't "believe" that evolution is real, you've said no evidence will convince you, so why do you persist in this? Are you hoping to have your mind changed?
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not a scientist but I can ask questions.
The point is that you are not asking questions in the post I originally responded to. You were making claims. Clearly, claims you cannot back up or even explain. And still you persist here, despite the fact that you proclaim your rejection of science. I wonder why.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You don't know the science, you don't "believe" that evolution is real, you've said no evidence will convince you, so why do you persist in this? Are you hoping to have your mind changed?
I wasn't there. Meantime it would be proper to call someone a Christian ape?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The point is that you are not asking questions in the post I originally responded to. You were making claims. Clearly, claims you cannot back up or even explain. And still you persist here, despite the fact that you proclaim your rejection of science. I wonder why.
Putting testtubes and chemicals together in a laboratory does not in any way prove/show/evidence/demonstrate the theory that humans are apes or that they evolved from fish.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
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Snakes are not fuzzy.
This is a furpent...
Alpine constrictor. Snake with the most northern range of any snake. That isn't really fur. It is a modification of the scales. Mutations in the basal squamous epithelium have resulted in this hair-like growth that allows these snakes to survive in northern latitudes and higher elevations.

Or I could just be making that up.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The point is that you are not asking questions in the post I originally responded to. You were making claims. Clearly, claims you cannot back up or even explain. And still you persist here, despite the fact that you proclaim your rejection of science. I wonder why.
I keep saying that I appreciate x-ray machines (invented by scientists), I drive a car (invented by scientists), I take vaccines (invented by scientists), yet you keep saying I reject science. (LOL...)
 

McBell

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Alpine constrictor. Snake with the most northern range of any snake. That isn't really fur. It is a modification of the scales. Mutations in the basal squamous epithelium have resulted in this hair-like growth that allows these snakes to survive in northern latitudes and higher elevations.

Or I could just be making that up.
I have no idea if you are making that critter up or not.
If not, I know that my pic is not a pic of one.

My pic here is Photoshopped.
No, not by me.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
I keep saying that I appreciate x-ray machines (invented by scientists), I drive a car (invented by scientists), I take vaccines (invented by scientists), yet you keep saying I reject science. (LOL...)
So. You say a lot of things. The first car was invented by an engineer.

You have a wonderful, fantastic, fun-filled, festive evening.
 
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