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Evolution of what?

ppp

ppp

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YoursTrue said:
I'm not demanding details about evolution. You can choose to give them or not. You are constantly putting down the idea that there is a primal force, a supreme being that causes growth, aren't you?
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There is no need to put down that idea. Evolution works with or without a primal force. A primal force that causes growth could exist, and evolution would still be true.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Heyo said:
Kudos for 1. catching the author using sloppy language and 2. citing and linking your sources. That's how we do scientific debate. But while the author clearly should have said "Fossil Reveals What Last Common Ancestor of Humans and other Apes Looked Like" it is also kind of a quote mine. It sounds like it says that humans are not apes but the text is very clear that it is about the common ancestor of humans and the other great apes.
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Actually there was more that caught my interest in that article but unfortunately they only allow one look and then you have to subscribe so I couldn't get it again.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
gnostic said:
That because the modern theory of evolution is all about common traits shared by species of the same genus or different genera, of families, classes, orders, phylum, etc.

With changing environments (eg geographical isolation vs no isolation, long terms vs short terms climate changes, atmospheric changes (excessive oxygen vs excessive carbon dioxide or other gases), availability or scarcity of food or water, etc), will have impacts on organisms living in such environments. Those that adapted better in such environments, will reproduce more frequently, thereby increasing their respective populations, while other organisms will face declines in populations.

Evolution is all about changes, the ability to reproduce, and genetically shared those traits.

SO, LIFE HAVE TO ALREADY EXIST, FOR EVOLUTION TO OCCUR.

As to Abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is about the origin, not only the earliest organisms, but also the origins of organic matters - biological molecules, such as proteins, nucleic acids (eg DNA or RNA), carbohydrates, lipids and many other biological substances, which are the building blocks of living cells, and therefore the very substance of life.

Without these biological macromolecules (macromolecules literally means “large molecules”), cells wouldn’t exist, nor any living organisms, as organisms cannot exist without cells.

Abiogenesis required advanced knowledge of molecular biology and biochemistry.

The reasons why biochemists (eg Stanley Miller, Harold Urey, Joan Oró, Jeffrey Bada and others) have been doing experiments with inorganic chemicals, is to learn how biological molecules or compounds would form through chemical reactions.

Abiogenesis is about investigating what Earth’s early environments, and that understanding the chemicals that might exist then in the atmosphere and in the water, that would lead to the origin of these biological macromolecules.

you are only demonstrating your biased personal opinions, with very little of understanding of the experiment and evidence…especially when you are saying something as ignorant and false claims, as this:

“While I realize there have been experiments with chemicals, or observation of natural reactions, these do not solidify the theory of evolution and..abiogenesis.”​

You preferred to hide behind the primitive superstition of “God did it”, which is behind your belief in Genesis Creation.

You say that you are not anti-science, but that is exactly what you are claiming...that things cannot exist or occur naturally, without God’s magic or miracles. You are essentially denying chemical reactions cannot happen, reproduction cannot happen, inheritance cannot happen and genetic variations don’t exist.

i would laugh that you’re “not anti-science”, if I thought you were joking…but you are not joking, so it isn’t laughing matter. It is just sad that you are in self-denial.
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That's what I can't figure out. Changing environments throughout millenia bolsters along evolution like from fish to mammals?
 
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Eli G

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Left Coast said:
So it sounds like you're in agreement with me that there's nothing weird or confusing about water preceding life, despite @Eli G's objections.

I'm glad we can agree on something!
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Of course, there was first water and later animals:

Third day or period:

Gen. 1:9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, but the collecting of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. 12 And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds. Then God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Fifth day or period:

Gen 1:20 Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Evolutionists didn't discover anything new about it.
 
McBell

McBell

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Eli G said:
Of course, there was first water and later animals:

Third day or period:

Gen. 1:9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, but the collecting of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. 12 And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds. Then God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

Fifth day or period:

Gen 1:20 Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

Evolutionists didn't discover anything new about it.
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Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut.
 
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Eli G

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Heyo said:
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But then again, I'm not a working scientist nor am I any kind of teacher, just an interested lay person. Scientists and teachers have an assignment to keep the population informed.
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And your faith in them does the rest. :)
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Heyo said:
It's 150,000 millennia from Tiktaalik to the first mammal.
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I'm not going to ask you how you know this. But if you want to present the evidence and reasoning for this, please do so. Thank you.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
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Premium Member
Eli G said:
What science says about it: "in some cases, geological processes such as metamorphism or recrystallization can reset the isotopic system, leading to inaccurate results."

Are you a scientist? :rolleyes:
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And you are? Not by anything you've posted. So how can you judge given the claims you have made here have been completely obliterated by reason and evidence?
 
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