Evolution of what?

[TLK Valentine]

Consider that Jesus said that no one can go to the Father except through him. He also said the path is narrow and few would be on it but many would be on the broad path leading to destruction. Also many believe in virtually the total process of evolution and profess to be believers in God.

Ok, I'm considering it...

Ok, I've considered it.

Now what?

 

[TLK Valentine]

@TLK Valentine Let's see . If the Bible is nullified in reality because of the idea of evolution and it is inconsistent with what the Bible says and someone believes in the process of evolution rather than what the Bible says there is nothing further to discuss. Logically, that is. IMO. We can decide. So...not so what...but then whatever happens happens. Have a good day..

Still not seeing the logic how believing in evolution nullifies everything in the Bible.

I mean, if the Bible is that fragile, it deserves to be nullified.

Any "god" who can be killed ought to be - and any "god" who must be protected from truth (from any source) is already dead.

 

[Bthoth]

I'm going to repeat what I said, naturally you don't have to agree. The Bible says Adam was the human from whom all mankind came after that.

OK... So there was zero writing back then and there was NO man there to record what any of the gods said.

i can agree.

In that story, the woman (eve) taught the man. And then the man (adam) named the Mother of all the living.

i know the story.

my point was there was no one there to record the words. Which means the story is just an opinion.

 

[Bthoth]

How is it against Jesus to believe the Bible?

Condemning another is against jesus. you are not accepting bible, as it say NOT to cast the first stone (judge and impose judgment)

Notice what Jesus said at Matthew 24:14 (New Living Translation)

"14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

No problem. Each should have a chance to see for themselves.

What you did was judge, that is against jesus' teachings (bible).

"And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come."

i copied the same:

But the chapter is about:

Matthew 24

New International Version

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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times​

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”



That location is the very problem of the middle east divide.

 

[YoursTrue]

What's so complicated? Jesus is speaking to his God (who may or may not be the god that the Pharisees or we are familiar with) to help him finish the job he was put on Earth to do.

Jesus' God is the Creator. The one who created the heavens and the earth.

Still not seeing the logic how believing in evolution nullifies everything in the Bible.

I mean, if the Bible is that fragile, it deserves to be nullified.

Any "god" who can be killed ought to be - and any "god" who must be protected from truth (from any source) is already dead.

Well I have learned for one thing that Jesus was not a godman equal to his God. One scripture that helps me to know this is John 14:28 where Jesus said

“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him"

 

[TLK Valentine]

Jesus' God is the Creator. The one who created the heavens and the earth.

Possibly.

Well I have learned for one thing that Jesus was not a godman equal to his God. One scripture that helps me to know this is John 14:28 where Jesus said

“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him"

None of which means squat if it's "nullified" by evolution.

 

[YoursTrue]

Possibly.



None of which means squat if it's "nullified" by evolution.

That is correct if the Biblical account of creation and the subsequent historical account in the Bible up to Jesus and beyond is not true and evolution is true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is correct if the Biblical account of creation and the subsequent historical account in the Bible up to Jesus and beyond is not true and evolution is true.

The Bible is not "historical". It does have some correct history, but it also has some false history. For example there are two very different nativity myths of Jesus. They are roughly ten years apart. Which one do you believe in?

 

[YoursTrue]

Condemning another is against jesus. you are not accepting bible, as it say NOT to cast the first stone (judge and impose judgment)

"14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

No problem. Each should have a chance to see for themselves.

What you did was judge, that is against jesus' teachings (bible).




i copied the same:

But the chapter is about:

Matthew 24​

​

New International Version​

​

​

The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times​

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”



That location is the very problem of the middle east divide.

Ok...but then there is prophecy and I'm not sure how that will work out but I am sure it will work out according to God's will. Thankfully we (you and I and other humans) are not God.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible is not "historical". It does have some correct history, but it also has some false history. For example there are two very different nativity myths of Jesus. They are roughly ten years apart. Which one do you believe in?

oops. (What correct history are you saying the Bible has?) But anyway, you're talking about the birth of Jesus, right? Please can you be specific as the differing accounts? Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Possibly.



None of which means squat if it's "nullified" by evolution.

We've mentioned a few points in these recent discussions. Is there a subject you'd like to go over more precisely or shall we just leave it as it is now. Perhaps we can start a new topic.

 

[YoursTrue]

Possibly.



None of which means squat if it's "nullified" by evolution.

To believe that evolution is the way mankind came about, as an offspring of an unknown common ancestor of apes, means that God is not necessary. And thus, as you say, it would nullify the entire Bible.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is correct if the Biblical account of creation and the subsequent historical account in the Bible up to Jesus and beyond is not true and evolution is true.

So... your objection to evolution has nothing to do with its own merits, but rather that if you choose to believe it, a lifetime of belief in a literal Bible and all it entails goes right down the tubes.

If evolution is true, and God is Truth, then He has nothing to be afraid of...

 

[TLK Valentine]

We've mentioned a few points in these recent discussions. Is there a subject you'd like to go over more precisely or shall we just leave it as it is now. Perhaps we can start a new topic.

Doesn't seem to be much meat left on this particular bone - "Evolution can't be true because then the Bible isn't special" isn't going to convince anyone.

Why should I accept a belief in a 100% literal Bible over what my own research tells me to be true?

 

[TLK Valentine]

To believe that evolution is the way mankind came about, as an offspring of an unknown common ancestor of apes, means that God is not necessary. And thus, as you say, it would nullify the entire Bible.

Well, evolution is the way mankind came about.

Getting your Bible nullified sounds like more of a "you" problem.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, evolution is the way mankind came about.

Getting your Bible nullified sounds like more of a "you" problem.

I think you're taking this out of context because -- either what the Bible says about Jesus is true or it is not. It's not a "me" problem at all. (Why would you think so?) Again -- if evolution of humans coming from fish and prior then apes with some unknown common ancestor is true then clearly the writing in the Bible about Jesus is not true. You can't believe both. But if you think you can, you or someone who believe both might explain.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, evolution is the way mankind came about.

Getting your Bible nullified sounds like more of a "you" problem.

I hope you've looked at my previous post. I used to believe what educators and books told me (teach) about evolution. In fact I was a scholarship student. I no longer go along with the theory of evolution. Seems some people really get upset when asked to explain how they combine the two.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think you're taking this out of context because -- either what the Bible says about Jesus is true or it is not.

Well, some of it is, and most of it isn't - for reasons which have nothing to do with evolution.

It's not a "me" problem at all. (Why would you think so?) Again -- if evolution of humans coming from fish and prior then apes with some unknown common ancestor is true then clearly the writing in the Bible about Jesus is not true. You can't believe both. But if you think you can, you or someone who believe both might explain.

Evolution is the least of your problems insofar as the Bible's credibility is concerned.

But don't you see that your issue with evolution has nothing to do with the facts, but rather what it does to your belief system?
You don't see a problem there?

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, evolution is the way mankind came about.

Getting your Bible nullified sounds like more of a "you" problem.

I'm not saying that as you purport above using that language. But it's simply not logical to say one believes in Jesus and then say evolution is the way he came about. The two don't mix. But if you think they do -- perhaps you or those supporting your viewpoint might explain how the two blend.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I hope you've looked at my previous post. I used to believe what educators and books told me (teach) about evolution. In fact I was a scholarship student. I no longer go along with the theory of evolution. Seems some people really get upset when asked to explain how they combine the two.

I don't get upset - because I don't combine the two at all. Science is science, and mythology is mythology.