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Evolution of what?

gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Eli G said:
The Bible contains a detailed genealogy that goes back to the first created man: Adam. Performing the relevant calculations, it is discovered that Adam was created in the year 4025/4 BC. That's about 6 millennia ago.

Knowing that the Sumerian civilization is the first known human civilization and that its existence dates back to after the creation of Adam, it is not difficult to deduce that the evidence shows that the Bible is right about when humans were created.

My topic asks evolutionists for proof that apes have developed intellect. So far they have presented no real evidence that this has happened. A modern human experiment is not proof of an actual past event.
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Except that Uruk (or Erech) and Nineveh that are mentioned in Genesis 10 as being post-Flood cities built by nonexistent and mythological Nimrod, but the real cities are actually older than your 4025 BCE Adam.

People in the past have been building newer settlement on top of older settlement, with the bottom layer being the oldest settlement.

I don’t know how many layers there are to Nineveh, but Uruk have 18 settlements, designating each layer with Roman numerals, with Uruk XVIII being the oldest layer when Uruk was Neolithic village about 7000 years ago (c 5000 BCE), while Uruk I is the youngest layer of the city, before city was finally abandoned about 1700 years ago or 300 CE (or AD).

Nineveh is even older than Uruk (Erech), with the oldest layer of settlement was built as early as 8000 years ago or 6000 BCE.

Jericho (the site Tell es-Sultan) is older still, with 20 layers of settlements, with the oldest layer as Neolithic village as 11,600 years ago (9600 BCE). It became Neolithic town by 10,600 ago or 8600 BCE. A couple of century later, the city grew large enough population that they built a stone fortified tower and walls that enclosed the entire city. Archaeologists have dated the stone tower to 8300 BCE. The walled town found to accomodate as hundreds of people, and there were houses about 5 diameter wide, hence each had a circular floor plan, built with sun-dried clay and straw bricks.

Archaeologists referred to this oldest Neolithic town in Tell es-Sultan (or Jericho) as a proto-city.

There are many more Neolithic cities that predated your 4025 BCE claim of Adam’s creation, so Adam is really not the first human, nor is Adam ever a real person. The story of Adam and Eve is a myth, as well as Cain building the first city Enoch is also a myth.
 
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exchemist

exchemist

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John53 said:
Rabbits keep digging under my fence and eating my vegetables. You don't happen to know anything about that do you rodent?
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Your name isn't McGregor by any chance, is it?

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By the way, rabbits are not rodents, they are lagomorphs.;)
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
metis said:
Of course, they're different, which is what the ToE does explain.
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Sure, they may offer explanations ... but from what I have seen, aside from talking about similarities in shape somewhat, and close genes, I THINK (I'm not sure) the others classified as apes hang from trees, move around from trees, their brain sizes are different, and they do not publish books, at least not that I have heard. And have not as yet found the Common Ape Ancestor.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
gnostic said:
Except that Uruk (or Erech) and Nineveh that are mentioned in Genesis 10 as being post-Flood cities built by nonexistent and mythological Nimrod, is actually older than your 4025 BCE Adam.

People in the past have been building newer settlement on top of older settlement, with the bottom layer being the oldest settlement.

I don’t know how many layers there are to Nineveh, but Uruk have 18 settlements, designating each layer with Roman numerals, with Uruk XVIII being the oldest layer when Uruk was Neolithic village about 7000 years ago (c 5000 BCE), while Uruk I is the youngest layer of the city, before city was finally abandoned about 1700 years ago or 300 CE (or AD).

Nineveh is even older than Uruk (Erech), with the oldest layer of settlement was built as early as 8000 years ago or 6000 BCE.

Jericho (the site Tell es-Sultan) is older still, with 20 layers of settlements, with the oldest layer as Neolithic village as 11,600 years ago (9600 BCE). It became Neolithic town by 10,600 ago or 8600 BCE. A couple of century later, the city grew large enough population that they built a stone fortified tower and walls that enclosed the entire city. Archaeologists have dated the stone tower to 8300 BCE. The walled town found to accomodate as hundreds of people, and there were houses about 5 diameter wide, hence each had a circular floor plan, built with sun-dried clay and straw bricks.

Archaeologists referred to this oldest Neolithic town in Tell es-Sultan (or Jericho) as a proto-city.

There are many more Neolithic cities that predated your 4025 BCE claim of Adam’s creation, so Adam is really not the first human, nor is Adam ever a real person. The story of Adam and Eve is a myth, as well as Cain building the first city Enoch is also a myth.
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The problem is that you can believe whatever the current science tells you, but it is not necessarily true about dates.
 
Dimi95

Dimi95

Прaвославие!
YoursTrue said:
The problem is that you can believe whatever the current science tells you, but it is not necessarily true about dates.
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Science is the persuit of knowledge following systematic methodology which is based on evidence.

Hebrew is all about root of words

Adam derived from the noun adamah, meaning "soil" or "earth".

The traditional meaning of Eve is life or living

1+1=2

So life came from Earth.

What is the problem to see it like that?

The origin of life, describes how living organisms first evolved from inorganic matter! The exact process by which this occurred is not yet known, though there are several theories.

Would you like to know some of them?
Would you like also to learn how it is possible to belive in God and still have knowledge in Science?
 
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sayak83

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YoursTrue said:
Sure, they may offer explanations ... but from what I have seen, aside from talking about similarities in shape somewhat, and close genes, I THINK (I'm not sure) the others classified as apes hang from trees, move around from trees, their brain sizes are different, and they do not publish books, at least not that I have heard. And have not as yet found the Common Ape Ancestor.
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The brain to body size of modern human apes are 3 times larger than our closest non-human ape cousins. That has an effect.
But this increase and associated increase in complex behavior is well documented in the hominid evolutionary line that stretches through 8 million years and more 20 hominid species (with hundreds of fossils)and their associated cultures. So nothing abrupt.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
sayak83 said:
The brain to body size of modern human apes are 3 times larger than our closest non-human ape cousins. That has an effect.
But this increase and associated increase in complex behavior is well documented in the hominid evolutionary line that stretches through 8 million years and more 20 hominid species (with hundreds of fossils)and their associated cultures. So nothing abrupt.
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This does not evidence to me that evolution is the key here. But that's me now -- before I believed in the Bible as the word of God, I'd believe anything science said about evolution. Speaking of brains, a lot has to growing, I mean evolving, from fish to humans, I guess.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Dimi95 said:
Science is the persuit of knowledge following systematic methodology which is based on evidence.
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I understand that, not that I think scientists have all the answers (correctly, that is).
Dimi95 said:
Hebrew is all about root of words

Adam derived from the noun adamah, meaning "soil" or "earth".
The traditional meaning of Eve is life or living
1+1=2
So life came from Earth.
What is the problem to see it like that?
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I can understand that.
Dimi95 said:
The origin of life, also known as abiogenesis, describes how living organisms first evolved from inorganic matter! The exact process by which this occurred is not yet known, though there are several theories.
Would you like to know some of them?
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I've already looked them up, but as you said, they are theories. Really more like guesses or possibilities figuring how things changed from one organism to another. As for abiogenesis, maybe from space, maybe from water. And yes, it is said that God used soil. I wasn't there. I didn't see it happen. Aside from the fact that there is no proof of evolution, it seems impossible to duplicate, even with the Miller-Uray experiment because it stopped where it stopped -- and needed help to get it "started." I realize the reason for that may be that there is not enough time. Which strikes me as not realistic anyway because again -- there is no actual showing of how serious differences occurred.
Dimi95 said:
Would you like also to learn how it is possible to belive in God and still have knowledge in Science?
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Not all science is the theory of evolution, is it, so I'm not sure what you mean by science. I do take vaccines and things like that. Plus use the internet. Take x-rays, hope they don't kill me so I appreciate the shields they put on patients, all benefits of scientific research and testing.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
sayak83 said:
The brain to body size of modern human apes are 3 times larger than our closest non-human ape cousins. That has an effect.
But this increase and associated increase in complex behavior is well documented in the hominid evolutionary line that stretches through 8 million years and more 20 hominid species (with hundreds of fossils)and their associated cultures. So nothing abrupt.
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Let me ask you this question in reference to the idea that the brain increased in size over millions of years + due to evolution of these animals. Why do you think they grew in size?
 
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