Reading about Krakatoa will give some insight into the causes and results of Continental Drift.Yeah, just reading about the explosions in Krakatoa.
Krakatoa, like all volcanoes, are a product of Continental Drift.
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Reading about Krakatoa will give some insight into the causes and results of Continental Drift.Yeah, just reading about the explosions in Krakatoa.
It also shows that vegetation and life forms grew rather quickly after the disasters. Another thing it shows is that there were little records of one of the big blasts.Reading about Krakatoa will give some insight into the causes and results of Continental Drift.
Krakatoa, like all volcanoes, are a product of Continental Drift.
Also shows?!?!?! Volcanoes are part of the subduction zones and hot spots with histories of millions of years of geologic activity.It also shows that vegetation and life forms grew rather quickly after the disasters.
Huh!?!?! Nonsense.Another thing it shows is that there were little records of one of the big blasts.
Yes there were reports I'll go over this later. Thanks.Also shows?!?!?! Volcanoes are part of the subduction zones and hot spots with histories of millions of years of geologic activity.
Yes, but so what?!?!?
Huh!?!?! Nonsense.
In the layers of deposits around the large volcanoes there is evidence of eruptions for over tens of thousands of years.
In Continental Drift the volcanoes occur the subduction zones and hot spots.
Fair enough. I just dint think it would remotely be in India. That's not even near where civilization started. There are gods older than Hinduism. Older than Suneria evenWhat may be called?!?! Not always . . . I consider your conclusions in post#1503 hypothetical not factual.
Keep up the good fight. Thanks for helping to save me from potential genocideAlso shows?!?!?! Volcanoes are part of the subduction zones and hot spots with histories of millions of years of geologic activity.
Yes, but so what?!?!?
Huh!?!?! Nonsense.
In the layers of deposits around the large volcanoes there is evidence of eruptions for over tens of thousands of years.
In Continental Drift the volcanoes occur the subduction zones and hot spots.
Let us not play with words and let us understand the crux. I agree that Joseph Campbell did not consider myths to be real history, but he also says that they are not pure falsehood. So, there is a kernel of history which then develops into the so-called myth. Our ability lies in retrieving that kernel of history which is embedded in the history.Yes, but misrepresenting Joseph Campbell and claiming a historical basis for myths is not credible. Joseph Campbell did not consider myths real history.
Academic history is not based on kernels of truth from mythology. Kernels of truth may help put mythology in the context of history, but it cannot justify mythology.
The existence Mount Ararat does not Justify the Noah and world flood story.
This can describe many locations in the Middle East. It remains the Garden of Eden is mythology and not based on any known historical facts,
So what????No relatonship to reality or academic history.
You are still making vague undocumented association based on mythology
Bogus claims based on assumptions of mythology and selective misrepresentation of archeological evidence. No factual evidence whatsoever base on speculation of ancient mythology. The oldest known villages in the world are located in the Middle East. There is abundant evidence of habitation by humans over 300,000 years in Africa, Middle Est and Asia. The oldest is in Africa and the Middle East.
The origin of our evolution of our language is in the Steppes of Central Western Asia.
You are ignoring and failed to respond to the specific factual evidence for the accounts of Exodus based on Egypt and the Levant,
You are the one playing with words, because you consider the Pentateuch actual history including actual real Garden of Eden location, and Joseph Campbell did not even hint any such historical reality of ancient myths as history. Being kernels of history or embedded in history des not remotely translate as actual history as you claim. As with Joseph Campbell I fully acknowledge the relationship between mythology and history.Let us not play with words and let us understand the crux. I agree that Joseph Campbell did not consider myths to be real history, but he also says that they are not pure falsehood. So, there is a kernel of history which then develops into the so-called myth. Our ability lies in retrieving that kernel of history which is embedded in the history.
IT is mythology and no such flood described in the Bible took place, It is based on the Sumerian Tigris Euphrates flood that is documented geologically. The story was handed down as an oral legend first that written, and the Pentateuch account is based on the Sumerian and Babylonian accounts of the thread, This what Joseph Campbell described as how myth is based on historical events.I agreed that existence of Mount Ararat does not justify the Noah and the world flood story but we have a mount Aravalli in the Indus Valley which does justify Noah's flood because we have a bonelike structure in Jalore where such a local flood of long duration could have taken place.
I think you are jumping the gun. Please see the attached paper on the relationship of on the location of Eden in the Indus Valley.
Your version would make a grade D sci-fi movie.Keep up the good fight. Thanks for helping to save me from potential genocide
Darwin's concept of natural selection is connected to the pressures and needs of the changing physical environment. When the Sahara Desert changed to desert, life there had to adapt, migrate, until what was chosen could handle the new conditions. It is the modern genetic centric approach that does not allow an integrated earth model, since natural selection is not exclusively, genetic. The brain and consciousness, via migration can game local natural selection criteria, by walking to where it can be selected. There are mass seasonal migrations that still work.I am accustomed to the idea of a direct creation by God in different stages, each one giving rise to the conditions that would be needed for the next creation... and so on for six stages called "days" in the Bible. It is even said that from time to time God inspected what he had just created or formed to see if it could be considered excellent (Gen. 1:10,12,18,21,25).
Why are evolutionist so focused only in the alleged "evolution" of animals if the environment must have change also?
I want to hear more about it; you, guys, are reading just a paragraph of that story of fiction, but people need the whole story, like the one I learn out of the Bible ...
I never said that Campbell said that the Garden of Eden was located at a certain place. All I am saying is that Campbell does say that behind the mythology, there is a kernel of truth. In this case, my understanding is that Garden of Eden was located at a mountain from which four rivers flow in four directions. I do not know of any other place on the earth other than Pushkar where such a situation is obtained. Possibly it is. I will be happy to know if it is so.You are the one playing with words, because you consider the Pentateuch actual history including actual real Garden of Eden location, and Joseph Campbell did not even hint any such historical reality of ancient myths as history. Being kernels of history or embedded in history des not remotely translate as actual history as you claim. As with Joseph Campbell I fully acknowledge the relationship between mythology and history.
What do you mean?Your version would make a grade D sci-fi movie.
ridiculous imaginative scenario.What do you mean?
You are still misrepresenting Joseph Campbell, because he does not remotely support anything close to you considering the mythology of the Pentateuch as representing actual history. A kernel of truth is a kernel of truth and does not make mythology history. This is called "name dropping" to give credibility that actually does not support your argument. Joseph Campbell does not consider mythology history Every historian and anthropologist will acknowledge that mythology is set in history and may contain kernels of truth.I never said that Campbell said that the Garden of Eden was located at a certain place. All I am saying is that Campbell does say that behind the mythology, there is a kernel of truth. In this case, my understanding is that Garden of Eden was located at a mountain from which four rivers flow in four directions. I do not know of any other place on the earth other than Pushkar where such a situation is obtained. Possibly it is. I will be happy to know if it is so.
I have read the paper.It seems we have not taken the trouble to read the paper that I sent. It is published in a respectable journal and I think we would have a much better discussion after you have read the paper.
No.You can predict its existence by science.
This remains mythology and not history. At one time the Middle East and Northern Africa was a verdant abundant world with prairies, tropical forests, lakes, rivers, As their world dried out they lost paradise, and moved to the river valleys.That area back before man had discovered the use of fire had been jungle. The area surrounding the four rivers was lush with terrestrial life.
Huh?!?!?!Yes there were reports I'll go over this later. Thanks.
I never said that Campbell said that the Garden of Eden was located at a certain place. All I am saying is that Campbell does say that behind the mythology, there is a kernel of truth. In this case, my understanding is that Garden of Eden was located at a mountain from which four rivers flow in four directions. I do not know of any other place on the earth other than Pushkar where such a situation is obtained. Possibly it is. I will be happy to know if it is so.
It seems we have not taken the trouble to read the paper that I sent. It is published in a respectable journal and I think we would have a much better discussion after you have read the paper.
I never said that Campbell said that the Garden of Eden was located at a certain place. All I am saying is that Campbell does say that behind the mythology, there is a kernel of truth. In this case, my understanding is that Garden of Eden was located at a mountain from which four rivers flow in four directions. I do not know of any other place on the earth other than Pushkar where such a situation is obtained. Possibly it is. I will be happy to know if it is so.
It seems we have not taken the trouble to read the paper that I sent. It is published in a respectable journal and I think we would have a much better discussion after you have read the paper.
Ezekiel 28:13 - You were in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
- If Ezekiel 28 does not say Eden was a mountain, then what does it say?
Alternative to Ezekiel 28? It is describing a person, or perhaps a metaphor for Cain, but I also don't know I can only speculate. However I would disagree the wording suggests it is describing Eden.
- You have to give your alternative. Please give your alternative interpretation.
What is the true source of any river? It is rain. It is the water cycle. This is your kernal of truth.
- I am happy that you think Gihon was the Indus River and so you are bringing it to the Indus Valley. But the Dion cannot be Indus because the four rivers have to have a source at one place. I am showing that such four rivers are found at Pushkar in Rajasthan as given in my paper and I'm attaching the same again.
If the rivers "don't work" either the rivers are wrong, or the idea that they have to originate as rivers from one physical point is wrong.
- Again, Pishon is the Nile we have to look at the four rivers having their source at one place. Nile and Indus don't work.
The location, if it existed at all, is under the Persian Gulf waters.
- I do explore the Mesopotamian location at Qurnah on the shut al Arab in the Persian near the Persian Gulf.
Imaginative? If Trump gets elected we'll gradually start to fall back into genocide and raping your warfare winnings. How smart are you if you study the Bible but can't pick up on so much?ridiculous imaginative scenario.
"save me from potential genocide."
I think we are not disagreeing but somehow, we are contesting the words. All I'm saying is that the Pentateuch cannot be rubbished simply because it has been transmitted over so many thousand years. It's an inspired text and we should assume it is correct unless proven otherwise. All I am saying is that the descriptions of Garden of Eden match with Indus Valley and Since you said you have read the paper, I would very much like you to rebut it, or at least give your basic arguments against the paper. I would be thankful for the same.You are still misrepresenting Joseph Campbell, because he does not remotely support anything close to you considering the mythology of the Pentateuch as representing actual history. A kernel of truth is a kernel of truth and does not make mythology history. This is called "name dropping" to give credibility that actually does not support your argument. Joseph Campbell does not consider mythology history Every historian and anthropologist will acknowledge that mythology is set in history and may contain kernels of truth.
The Garden of Eden is mythology. Your understanding does not help it. Your geographic association are not unique to the Indus Valley and remotely circumstantial. As previously stated that there are mountains in Saudi Arabia with ancient rivers flowing in four directions when the climate very wet and the vegetation was abundant in the past. There are even ancient villages.
I have read the paper.