Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

This "common sense" is so very often wrong. It's "common sense" that someone who looses a sense develops heightened senses in those that remain, but there is no actual evidence to back this claim up. "Common sense" frequently misuses the term 'reverse psychology.' This "common sense" you hold frequently fails to understand basic probability. "Common sense" does not exist, and when people use it, they are either a) promoting their own personal views or b) very, very wrong about things.

No, you haven't. You have managed to do nothing more than offer a claim. Thus far you have not offered any real evidence for your position, other than make appeals to this "commons sense" that would have us believing our gut feeling is a credible source, as this "common discourse" that frequently misuses many, many words, such as ultimate, than/then, peruse, there/their/they're, disinterested/uninterested, and so on.

Then by all means get to providing. You have done nothing but shown you have too much faith in these things that are supposed to be commonly known (and are often incorrect anyways), and the common ways people talk, which again is often wrong (lot's of people use double negatives, despite them being grammatically incorrect in nearly all situations).

bladibla.... you want to ignore common discourse, fine, then we know that your idea about "choosing" and "subjectivity" is some fantasy unrelated to how the word is used in common discourse. And that makes your ideas about it irrellevant to people's daily life.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your arguments are all selfserving. I am not going to debate whether or not rejection of subjectivity is conducive to depression. It is common sense that it does, and that is enough argument for that.

I explained to you the correct understanding of subjectivity, based on examining the structure in common discourse. In order to make an argument, you now must either contest this understanding with your examination of common discourse, or agree with it.

But there is no error in my understanding, and I can provide loads, and loads, and loads of evidence that evolutionists are undermining this particular understanding, meaning evolutionists are undermining subjectivity.

How about just providing some evidence for your claim that evolution causes depression.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

How about just providing some evidence for your claim that evolution causes depression.

...that's just debating tactics again, the evidence was already provided. If anybody wants to make an actual argument anytime .......

 

[Kirran]

...that's just debating tactics again, the evidence was already provided. If anybody wants to make an actual argument anytime .......

You maintain that the connection between accepting the ToE and depression is common sense.

Let's assume that's true, and also that none of us here understand common sense. You're that rare individual who does understand common sense here. So please, break it down for us. Imagine you're talking to a child or something.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You maintain that the connection between accepting the ToE and depression is common sense.

Let's assume that's true, and also understand that none of us here understand common sense. You're that rare individual who does understand common sense here. So please, break it down for us. Imagine you're talking to a child or something.

you all disparrage common sense.....disparrage common discourse

I already provided all argumentation, I made a 4 point simplified explanation of it. Asking the same thing again, and again, and then again, and then another time again, is just debating tactics and no argument.

 

[Kirran]

you all disparrage common sense.....disparrage common discourse

I already provided all argumentation, I made a 4 point simplified explanation of it. Asking the same thing again, and again, and then again, and then another time again, is just debating tactics and no argument.

Fair enough, but the disparaging comes from our belief that it doesn't really hold water as a concept. Is common discourse the same in Turkmenistan as in Jamaica? Among 20-year old university students and 40-year old builders?

But common sense and common discourse are different things.

As for your four points, I apologise, I don't recall them, or I wasn't reading the thread at that point. There's a lot of thread to trawl through for me to find them, would you kindly reiterate?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

bladibla.... you want to ignore common discourse, fine, then we know that your idea about "choosing" and "subjectivity" is some fantasy unrelated to how the word is used in common discourse. And that makes your ideas about it irrellevant to people's daily life.

Who is 'we'?
Pretty sure you're flying solo.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

We is all of us. Since I examined common discourse I can talk in terms of we. You can only talk for yourself, as an oracle on how choosing and subjectivity work. And the next also an oracle. You don't actually agree on anything except that each is an oracle on the issues.

 

[Kirran]

We is all of us. Since I examined common discourse I can talk in terms of we. You can only talk for yourself, as an oracle on how choosing and subjectivity work. And the next also an oracle. You don't actually agree on anything except that each is an oracle on the issues.

But which we's common discourse did you examine? Which group of people?

 

[SkepticThinker]

...that's just debating tactics again, the evidence was already provided. If anybody wants to make an actual argument anytime .......

It's someone who is seriously wondering what you are talking about in the OP. I've read through the entire thread now, and I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever for your claim. You might as well claim that sea turtles cause anorexia. It would make just as much sense.

You're the one making the argument. This is your thread. Why are you expecting an argument from anyone else?

 

[SkepticThinker]

you all disparrage common sense.....disparrage common discourse

I already provided all argumentation, I made a 4 point simplified explanation of it. Asking the same thing again, and again, and then again, and then another time again, is just debating tactics and no argument.

We're all just wondering what you're talking about.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

bladibla.... you want to ignore common discourse, fine, then we know that your idea about "choosing" and "subjectivity" is some fantasy unrelated to how the word is used in common discourse. And that makes your ideas about it irrellevant to people's daily life.

Actually, many of my ideas are relevant to most people's lives. I study culture; I study discourse; I study what things mean to people and culture.

We is all of us. Since I examined common discourse I can talk in terms of we. You can only talk for yourself, as an oracle on how choosing and subjectivity work. And the next also an oracle. You don't actually agree on anything except that each is an oracle on the issues.

You have not done a very good job then. Had you been more observant and paid more attention, you would know "common sense" is a load of bull. You also do not see your arrogance in assuming that most people agree with your definitions, even though you will be hard pressed to find anyone else who will agree with you that evolution forces on to forfeit subjective feelings and become depressed.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

It's someone who is seriously wondering what you are talking about in the OP. I've read through the entire thread now, and I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever for your claim. You might as well claim that sea turtles cause anorexia. It would make just as much sense.

You're the one making the argument. This is your thread. Why are you expecting an argument from anyone else?

You read through the entire thread and then you got no argument to show, at all.

All just debating tactics. My argumentation is still unopposed with any counterargument.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Actually, many of my ideas are relevant to most people's lives. I study culture; I study discourse; I study what things mean to people and culture.

You have not done a very good job then. Had you been more observant and paid more attention, you would know "common sense" is a load of bull. You also do not see your arrogance in assuming that most people agree with your definitions, even though you will be hard pressed to find anyone else who will agree with you that evolution forces on to forfeit subjective feelings and become depressed.

You study culture yet common sense you find to be bull. You find your studysubject bull? Is it not of interest what things are common in all cultures, common discourse?

 

[Kirran]

Mohammed, please answer the question: whose common discourse are you referring to? Which group of people, in which area?

Also, I really would like to have a look at your four points.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Mohammed, please answer the question: whose common discourse are you referring to? Which group of people, in which area?

Also, I really would like to have a look at your four points.

That is so lazy. You can look through the thread yourself. post 49, you even had replied to it already. Perhaps you are too lazy to retrieve it from your own memory even.

And your question is just cognitive dissonance. Now suddenly you don't know what common discourse means, because you don't like that you lose the argument.

 

[Kirran]

That is so lazy. You can look through the thread yourself. post 49, you even had replied to it already. Perhaps you are too lazy to retrieve it from your own memory even.

I did not know to which post you were referring, but I apologise for not taking the time to read through and find out.

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.
2 Obviously emotions are what makes a decision turn out the way they do for people.
3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.
4 Therefore obviously evolution theory causes depression, by throwing out subjectivity together with throwing out all knowledge about how things are chosen.

This isn't an explanation, as was being requested. Yes, depression relates to emotions. But emotions are not the only factor involved in decision-making, so 2 is not obvious to anybody aside from yourself. Nor is 3 obvious, you've only stated a connection exists, you haven't explained it.

If you could go into the points you make here in more detail, it might be clearer.

And your question is just cognitive dissonance. Now suddenly you don't know what common discourse means, because you don't like that you lose the argument.

Could it not equally be said that you're ignoring the question because it undermines your argument?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You study culture yet common sense you find to be bull. You find your studysubject bull? Is it not of interest what things are common in all cultures, common discourse?

Yes, common sense is not something you should base anything off of. It's worse than trying to determine if something is common knowledge and if it needs citation or not in academic writing. This "common sense" you play up says we we only use about 10% of our brains. This is false. Common sense says using harsh anti-biotic creams and liquids on a wound is the best thing to do, even though these harsh things kill off cells and slow down healing. Common sense, overall, would have us believing all sorts of fairy tales, superstitions, and wild conclusions. It's really only good for maybe finding some common themes of thinking in a group of people, but even then just because someone says something is common sense does not make it commonly known, even if it is true.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You read through the entire thread and then you got no argument to show, at all.

All just debating tactics. My argumentation is still unopposed with any counterargument.

You're the one attempting to make the argument here. This is your thread. So far, I see only assertions and no actual argument or evidence. How are you tying depression in with evolution? Why cherry pick evolution out of everything that is taught in universities? Why don't you think germ theory causes depression? Or abnormal psychology? Or civil engineering? Or physics? Why evolution??

I have no idea why you're waiting for arguments from anyone else. You should probably be more focused on trying to make your argument work.

 

[Shad]

You're the one attempting to make the argument here. This is your thread. So far, I see only assertions and no actual argument or evidence. How are you tying depression in with evolution? Why cherry pick evolution out of everything that is taught in universities? Why don't you think germ theory causes depression? Or abnormal psychology? Or civil engineering? Or physics? Why evolution??

I have no idea why you're waiting for arguments from anyone else. You should probably be more focused on trying to make your argument work.

Better question. Why does he avoid the causes cited in both his sources....