Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Kirran]

To save everyone some time: Mohammed thinks you don't believe in free will, because you believe in evolution.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

If I drop a quarter and it falls to the ground. Who chose the rate at which it fell after .3 seconds with our gravity here on earth? If it is the product of choice that is subject to change why can I calculate that? What you fail to understand ist he fact that we have sentience and that we have the potential ability to "choose" because of our cognitive awareness, does not equate to everything being able to be chosen. In fact in every force and instance that is not fundamentally ruled by a sentient being of some sort would automatically be beyond "choice".

How does a rock choose anything?

This is only qed that you have an awful attitude for any knowledge about how choosing works. It is not serious. Serious is when you appreciate the existing knowledge we have about choosing, which we use in daily life, in common discourse, and look at the structure of that common discourse, and respect that structure.

What you do now instead, is argue from a perspective of evolutionary science, in which free will is ignored, and then you fantasize some ideas about choosing to make the issue go away.

Subjectivity does not function without 1. freedom, choosing 2. things the existence of which are categorically a matter of opinion, like love, hate, the soul, the heart, God the holy spirit. What these subjective things do, is to make a decision turn out the way it does. So a decision may be out of love or hate, that love or hate makes the decision turn out the way it does.

You can well see that if this explanation of subjetivity accurately reflects the structure in common discourse, that evolution theory can mess it up, if intellectual understanding is appreciated over common understanding.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The result is not going to be good, now is it. How in the world can you regard any decision you or anybody else makes as a serious issue, when you see no evidence of decisions taking place whatsoever?

How does evolution take away my ability to understand people make choices and decisions? How does it effect my ability to choose to be on this website or read right now?

 

[Midnight Rain]

This is only qed that you have an awful attitude for any knowledge about how choosing works. It is not serious. Serious is when you appreciate the existing knowledge we have about choosing, which we use in daily life, in common discourse, and look at the structure of that common discourse, and respect that structure.

What you do now instead, is argue from a perspective of evolutionary science, in which free will is ignored, and then you fantasize some ideas about choosing to make the issue go away.

Subjectivity does not function without 1. freedom, choosing 2. things the existence of which are categorically a matter of opinion, like love, hate, the soul, the heart, God the holy spirit. What these subjective things do, is to make a decision turn out the way it does. So a decision may be out of love or hate, that love or hate makes the decision turn out the way it does.

You can well see that if this explanation of subjetivity accurately reflects the structure in common discourse, that evolution theory can mess it up, if intellectual understanding is appreciated over common understanding.

Is everything chosen or are only certain things chosen in your worldview?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Is everything chosen or are only certain things chosen in your worldview?

All things are chosen. Choosing is the mechanism of creation. You cannot explain the origins of anything without referring to the decisions by which it came to be. This is because in a decision, the result can turn out different ways. The result information must therefore be new, for if the result information did pre-exist some way, then it would not be true that the decision can turn out several different ways, then it could only turn out in accordance with the pre-existing result information, which is a logical contradiction with the rule that a decision can turn out different ways.

 

[Kirran]

Who's choosing? God?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Who's choosing? God?

....it's a matter of opinion, the root of all subjectivity. Make that into fact, and you killed subjectivity, no room for it left.

 

[Kirran]

....it's a matter of opinion, the root of all subjectivity. Make that into fact, and you killed subjectivity, no room for it left.

But if you're a Muslim, and decide that it is Allah who chooses, then isn't that destroying subjectivity by making a statement?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

But if you're a Muslim, and decide that it is Allah who chooses, then isn't that destroying subjectivity by making a statement?

That's expression of emotion, resulting in an opinion, it does not establish any fact.

 

[Midnight Rain]

All things are chosen. Choosing is the mechanism of creation. You cannot explain the origins of anything without referring to the decisions by which it came to be. This is because in a decision, the result can turn out different ways. The result information must therefore be new, for if the result information did pre-exist some way, then it would not be true that the decision can turn out several different ways, then it could only turn out in accordance with the pre-existing result information, which is a logical contradiction with the rule that a decision can turn out different ways.

I can explain a chemical reaction without "choices" being involved. Seems to contradict what you are stating.

 

[Kirran]

That's expression of emotion, resulting in an opinion, it does not establish any fact.

Then why does my disbelief in God establish fact, when it's my opinion?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Then why does my disbelief in God establish fact, when it's my opinion?

.....it would also be expression of emotion, resulting in an opinion.

 

[Kirran]

.....it would also be expression of emotion, resulting in an opinion.

I agree. So I'm not establishing fact. So subjectivity is, by your measure, still valid.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I can explain a chemical reaction without "choices" being involved. Seems to contradict what you are stating.

So what you are saying is, the gunpowder did it, not the one pulling the trigger.

There is no inconsistency between all things being chosen and force being real. The consequences of a decision can be forced.

Why don't you just give up. Simply be honest and admit the obvious fact that evolution theory encroaches on our understanding how things are chosen, and undermining subjectivity in general, thus causing depression.

 

[Kirran]

Why don't you just give up. Simply be honest and admit the obvious fact that evolution theory encroaches on our understanding how things are chosen, and undermining subjectivity in general, thus causing depression.

It would be dishonest for someone to agree to something which they don't believe.

I personally think you've made two assumptions here which are completely incorrect, and not borne out by evidence. 1) Evolution theory erodes subjectivity and 2) subjectivity causes depression

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what you are saying is, the gunpowder did it, not the one pulling the trigger.

What decision is there when a volcano blows? When the Earth quakes? When a tornado forms? When lightning strikes? When a meteor strikes? When a hurricane makes landfall? How do you infer there is any decisions being made? Who makes them? Why do this entity/entities make them? For what purpose? For what reason? Why? Is there no other way? Why must people suffer because of these things you state are a decision? What makes you think there is a decision being made in the first place? Is this a just decision? Is it the right decision? How can we be certain this is a decision and not random occurrence? What evidence leads you to believing there is a choice involved? Why? Who makes this choice? Is it really their right to make such a choice? Why do we, who are effected by such things, not have any say-so in these choices? What sort of choices are available? Can we choose anything in such a decision? Why was the decision made for any of this to happen? Why do we not have a choice in any of this? Who exactly is in charge? On what authority is it they are allowed to call the shots? Is it justified that this hypothetical being making the shots is the only one making the shots? Does this being allow us to make decisions regarding such things? Who is this being? Where is this being located? Can I address this being myself? Will this being respond? How can I communicate with this being? Why can I not perceive this being? Why does thing being not communicate to me? Does thing being even actually exist? Is there really someone making choices on all the things that happen, or is it just random chance? Why or why not? On what grounds? On what authority? What evidence do you have? What studies can you provide? Is there a strong correlation? Is there a weak correlation? Is there a correlation at all? Will this being listen to me? Will this being even care? Where does it even look like this being is making any active decisions and intervening in our lives? Does this being interviewer with out lives? Why or why not? Who is this being making decisions? What is this being making decisions? Where is this being making decisions? How does this being make decisions? Why does this being make the decisions it does? When does this being make its decisions? How are we effected? Were are we effected? Can we be for certain these decisions are being made? How so? Why are these decisions made? Does this being get angered when we channel our inner two year old? Does this being even care that we bombard it with so many questions? Why or why not?

 

[Whiterain]

What decision is there when a volcano blows? When the Earth quakes? When a tornado forms? When lightning strikes? When a meteor strikes? When a hurricane makes landfall? How do you infer there is any decisions being made? Who makes them? Why do this entity/entities make them? For what purpose? For what reason? Why? Is there no other way? Why must people suffer because of these things you state are a decision? What makes you think there is a decision being made in the first place? Is this a just decision? Is it the right decision? How can we be certain this is a decision and not random occurrence? What evidence leads you to believing there is a choice involved? Why? Who makes this choice? Is it really their right to make such a choice? Why do we, who are effected by such things, not have any say-so in these choices? What sort of choices are available? Can we choose anything in such a decision? Why was the decision made for any of this to happen? Why do we not have a choice in any of this? Who exactly is in charge? On what authority is it they are allowed to call the shots? Is it justified that this hypothetical being making the shots is the only one making the shots? Does this being allow us to make decisions regarding such things? Who is this being? Where is this being located? Can I address this being myself? Will this being respond? How can I communicate with this being? Why can I not perceive this being? Why does thing being not communicate to me? Does thing being even actually exist? Is there really someone making choices on all the things that happen, or is it just random chance? Why or why not? On what grounds? On what authority? What evidence do you have? What studies can you provide? Is there a strong correlation? Is there a weak correlation? Is there a correlation at all? Will this being listen to me? Will this being even care? Where does it even look like this being is making any active decisions and intervening in our lives? Does this being interviewer with out lives? Why or why not? Who is this being making decisions? What is this being making decisions? Where is this being making decisions? How does this being make decisions? Why does this being make the decisions it does? When does this being make its decisions? How are we effected? Were are we effected? Can we be for certain these decisions are being made? How so? Why are these decisions made? Does this being get angered when we channel our inner two year old? Does this being even care that we bombard it with so many questions? Why or why not?

Jesus H Christ, Shadowwolf, break that wall of text up, you're not a 4th grader.

Certainly the theory of evilution is causing pandemic, fewer people than many want to believe in it or find it true on their conscience.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And, just so you know, Mohammad Nur Syamsu, my next questions will be "why?" so do anticipate this and go a few steps ahead of me to save the posts. It's better if you just assume I will be asking who, what, where, when, why, and how to everything you provide until I am satisfied, in which at this point, should it happen, I will acknowledge it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Jesus H Christ, Shadowwolf, break that wall of text up, you're not a 4th grader.

For a child and a philosopher, questions are the greatest weapons available. The camel will just bear with it, the lion will try to overcome, but the child will persist in the endless bombardment and never ending assault of questions.
Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Why must people suffer because of these things you state are a decision?

.....it is all quod est demonstrantum. The knowledge about how decisions are made is torn apart by evolutionists.

Why people suffer is because of evolution theory. It is simply you that makes people suffer by rejecting subjectivity outright.