Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Deidre]

So what. 1+1=2, if you take away all knowledge about how things are chosen, you take away all subjectivity in regards to what makes those decisions turn out the way they do as well. So with throwing out creationism, you throw out subjectivity as well, and that results in depression.

Maybe the depression is caused from feeling that they have to choose between creationism and evolution. I can believe in a Creator, and still believe in the theory of evolution. One doesn't need to be an atheist, in order to believe in evolution.

edit to add, that the article is vague as to what's causing it, but it could simply mean change in and of itself is causing it. Transitioning into college life that first year, can be daunting, and overwhelming.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Maybe the depression is caused from feeling that they have to choose between creationism and evolution. I can believe in a Creator, and still believe in the theory of evolution. One doesn't need to be an atheist, in order to believe in evolution. Maybe someone should send students across the world, that memo.

Get real, it is evolutionists who are intimidating everybody at college not to have any opinion. They truly say it is wrong to reach a conclusion about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does, by choosing the answer. They say that all conclusions must be forced by evidence, that only facts are valid, no room is provided for any opinion whatsoever.

Opinions, faith, are based on emotion. Opinions require an effort to maintain, it hurts when somebody attacks your opinion. There is no way you can meaningfully sustain faith in an environment with evolutionists dominating the scene.

And what is your faith in God the creator, when you can't point to any single decision in the entire history of the universe, when you have no knowledge how things are chosen in the universe?

 

[Kirran]

Get real, it is evolutionists who are intimidating everybody at college not to have any opinion. They truly say it is wrong to reach a conclusion about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does, by choosing the answer. They say that all conclusions must be forced by evidence, that only facts are valid, no room is provided for any opinion whatsoever.

Opinions, faith, are based on emotion. Opinions require an effort to maintain, it hurts when somebody attacks your opinion. There is no way you can meaningfully sustain faith in an environment with evolutionists dominating the scene.

And what is your faith in God the creator, when you can't point to any single decision in the entire history of the universe, when you have no knowledge how things are chosen in the universe?

In science, sure, it's based on fact.

Outside of learning science, people can do what they like. I go to a university in a Western country and study evolutionary biology, among other things, and I know LOTS of people who are religious (including myself), and that is by no means threatened. My Muslim friends use the prayer rooms set aside for them for salah.

Varies by course, but I'd say it's possible the majority of the university is religious, and hugely diverse. We've got atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Daoists, it's all going on

This advert was not sponsored by the University of Manchester

 

[Deidre]

Get real, it is evolutionists who are intimidating everybody at college not to have any opinion. They truly say it is wrong to reach a conclusion about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does, by choosing the answer. They say that all conclusions must be forced by evidence, that only facts are valid, no room is provided for any opinion whatsoever.

Opinions, faith, are based on emotion. Opinions require an effort to maintain, it hurts when somebody attacks your opinion. There is no way you can meaningfully sustain faith in an environment with evolutionists dominating the scene.

And what is your faith in God the creator, when you can't point to any single decision in the entire history of the universe, when you have no knowledge how things are chosen in the universe?

Perhaps you should get real? Unless it's a religious type of school, secular colleges and universities are not places for you or me or anyone else, to use them as a platform to showcase our faith beliefs. If you don't like that aspect of secular academia, then you don't need to attend those schools and/or send your kids there. And if someone dumps their faith during their college years, maybe it never meant anything to them to begin with. If a person's faith is strong, they can still separate science and secular beliefs from their religious ones.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

In science, sure, it's based on fact.

......the issue of what makes a decision turn out the way it does is the root of all subjectivity.

You are just contradicting yourself, you say you allow subjectivity, however you also say that what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does is a matter of fact.

That does not add up, you are saying to accept subjectivity, yet you reject all subjectivity.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Perhaps you should get real? Unless it's a religious type of school, secular colleges and universities are not places for you or me or anyone else, to use them as a platform to showcase our faith beliefs. If you don't like that aspect of secular academia, then you don't need to attend those schools and/or send your kids there. And if someone dumps their faith during their college years, maybe it never meant anything to them to begin with. If a person's faith is strong, they can still separate science and secular beliefs from their religious ones.

As I said, you can study as fact how things are decided, but it is categorically a matter of opinion what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does.

You would teach as science only how things are decided, you would not teach as science some particular decision was out of love or hate.

You would expressly throw out all professed scientific theories about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does as pseudoscience. One simply throws out all social darwinist theories about what is good, loving and beautiful as unscientific.

You do not understand the basic things about creation, your belief in a creator is not in tact.

 

[Deidre]

As I said, you can study as fact how things are decided, but it is categorically a matter of opinion what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does.

You would teach as science only how things are decided, you would not teach as science some particular decision was out of love or hate.

You would expressly throw out all professed scientific theories about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does as pseudoscience. One simply throws out all social darwinist theories about what is good, loving and beautiful as unscientific.

You do not understand the basic things about creation, your belief in a creator is not in tact.

Do you believe that science and religion can't co-exist?

 

[Kirran]

......the issue of what makes a decision turn out the way it does is the root of all subjectivity.

You are just contradicting yourself, you say you allow subjectivity, however you also say that what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does is a matter of fact.

That does not add up, you are saying to accept subjectivity, yet you reject all subjectivity.

Nah, you just don't understand the meaning of the term subjectivity.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Do you believe that science and religion can't co-exist?

Only with creationism can they co-exist, because only creationism validates and distinguishes both opinion and fact. Opinion applies to what makes a decision turn out the way it does, fact applies to the resulting decision.

See, there you have separate domains for opinion and fact.

Creationism
creator-what it is that chooses-opinion-religion
creation-what is chosen-fact-science

So you can fuly develop as a human being, learn all the facts, and make opinions.

Do you think it is a scientific fact that organisms strive for reproductive succes, that they like to survive, or do you think that is an opinion?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Nah, you just don't understand the meaning of the term subjectivity.

Says the guy who made subjectivity a function of differences amongst people.

 

[Kirran]

Says the guy who made subjectivity a function of differences amongst people.

It's a matter of different people's opinions and perceptions, sure. But I think that it's due to your not-fully-fluent English that you have the word a little off.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

It's a matter of different people's opinions and perceptions, sure. But I think that it's due to your not-fully-fluent English that you have the word a little off.

You cannot explain opinion with opinion, that is circular reasoning.

 

[Kirran]

You cannot explain opinion with opinion, that is circular reasoning.

Is it not subjectivity?

If we're talking reasoning, you have no evidence that evolutionism in educational establishments causes depression.

 

[Nietzsche]

Maybe the depression is caused from feeling that they have to choose between creationism and evolution. I can believe in a Creator, and still believe in the theory of evolution. One doesn't need to be an atheist, in order to believe in evolution.

edit to add, that the article is vague as to what's causing it, but it could simply mean change in and of itself is causing it. Transitioning into college life that first year, can be daunting, and overwhelming.

Perhaps you should get real? Unless it's a religious type of school, secular colleges and universities are not places for you or me or anyone else, to use them as a platform to showcase our faith beliefs. If you don't like that aspect of secular academia, then you don't need to attend those schools and/or send your kids there. And if someone dumps their faith during their college years, maybe it never meant anything to them to begin with. If a person's faith is strong, they can still separate science and secular beliefs from their religious ones.

Do you believe that science and religion can't co-exist?

He's not worth it. He is genuinely, 100% not worth it.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Is it not subjectivity?

If we're talking reasoning, you have no evidence that evolutionism in educational establishments causes depression.

Subjectivity is what produces opinions, you cannot demonstrate the working of subjectivity by first positing there to be different opinions. You are never really trying to figure out how subjectivity works, you just keep saying whatever to make it all go away.

To demonstrate that evolution theory leads to rejection of subjectivity altogether is sufficient evidence for establishing that evolution theory leads to depression.

 

[Kirran]

Subjectivity is what produces opinions, you cannot demonstrate the working of subjectivity by first positing there to be different opinions. You are never really trying to figure out how subjectivity works, you just keep saying whatever to make it all go away.

To demonstrate that evolution theory leads to rejection of subjectivity altogether is sufficient evidence for establishing that evolution theory leads to depression.

So you just said that me saying there are different opinions invalidates subjectivity, because subjectivity produces opinions? That's like saying the existence of milk would invalidate cows.

You haven't demonstrated that.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So you just said that me saying there are different opinions invalidates subjectivity, because subjectivity produces opinions? That's like saying the existence of milk would invalidate cows.

You haven't demonstrated that.

What I am saying is that you explain how forming an opinion works, by positing that there are opinions. That is a logical error.

 

[Kirran]

Nah, I didn't say that, there seems to have been a misunderstanding.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Nah, I didn't say that, there seems to have been a misunderstanding.

Which you could clear up by saying how forming an opinion works.

 

[Deidre]

Only with creationism can they co-exist, because only creationism validates and distinguishes both opinion and fact. Opinion applies to what makes a decision turn out the way it does, fact applies to the resulting decision.

See, there you have separate domains for opinion and fact.

Creationism
creator-what it is that chooses-opinion-religion
creation-what is chosen-fact-science

So you can fuly develop as a human being, learn all the facts, and make opinions.

Do you think it is a scientific fact that organisms strive for reproductive succes, that they like to survive, or do you think that is an opinion?

I like this response...
With regards to your question...I believe that there is a striving for organisms to achieve adaptation and reproductive success, and that's not an opinion. Having said that...there are complex biological systems that if you explore them deeply, can cause even skeptics to wonder if there could be intelligent design. In other words, intelligent design isn't solely a religious idea, it can be deduced through science.

I'm not a fan of the term 'creationism,' because it tends to suggest an either/or proposition, and that is largely due to making the mistake of looking at Genesis as anything other than an allegory.