Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So you are right, and everybody who disagrees is wrong?

You are therefore better at thinking about these things than anybody else on the planet?

Come on, man.

Everybody except me sets themselves up as an oracle, instead of trying to accurately reflect common discourse as it is. Only when you can argue how subjectivity is according to common discourse, do you have any point. And there are uncertainties within common discourse, but not of much significance IMO.

 

[Kirran]

Everybody except me sets themselves up as an oracle, instead of trying to accurately reflect common discourse as it is. Only when you can argue how subjectivity is according to common discourse, do you have any point. And there are uncertainties within common discourse, but not of much significance IMO.

But people don't discuss subjectivity in common discourse. They discuss the latest football match, or their troubles at work, or their plans for the weekend.

An oracle is somebody who sees the future, by the way. Might you have mixed it up with another word?

 

[Nietzsche]

Everybody except me sets themselves up as an oracle

Oh yes, truly is your wisdom the stuff of legend.

Reality isn't determined by consensus. It exists. It will continue to exist if you cease to accept it. We have a word for people who don't or can't accept that;

Delusional;

adjective
1.
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:
Senators who think they will get agreement on a comprehensive tax bill are delusional.
2.
Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought everybody was conspiring against him.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

But people don't discuss subjectivity in common discourse. They discuss the latest football match, or their troubles at work, or their plans for the weekend.

An oracle is somebody who sees the future, by the way. Might you have mixed it up with another word?

The word oracle derives indeed from people foretelling the future by inhaling the gasses from cracks in the earth. But I think I can use the word legitemately to mean people telling the way things are under the influence of the gasses that their own body produces. Meaning that they arbitrarily say things they happen to come up with at the time, which things are asserted with tremendous certainty.

 

[Kirran]

The word oracle derives indeed from people foretelling the future by inhaling the gasses from cracks in the earth. But I think I can use the word legitemately to mean people telling the way things are under the influence of the gasses that their own body produces. Meaning that they arbitrarily say things they happen to come up with at the time, which things are asserted with tremendous certainty.

What if they've in fact thought through these opinions over an extended period of time, much as I suspect you have done with your own opinions on subjectivity?

 

[Revoltingest]

The word oracle derives indeed from people foretelling the future by inhaling the gasses from cracks in the earth. But I think I can use the word legitemately to mean people telling the way things are under the influence of the gasses that their own body produces. Meaning that they arbitrarily say things they happen to come up with at the time, which things are asserted with tremendous certainty.

"....foretelling the future by inhaling gasses from cracks..."
This conjures up quite an image!

 

[Kirran]

"....foretelling the future by inhaling gasses from cracks..."
This conjures up quite an image!

You had to lower the tone man

 

[Revoltingest]

You had to lower the tone man

Hey, I almost posted pix....but thought better of it.

 

[Kirran]

Hey, I almost posted pix....but thought better of it.

Your last-minute wisdom strikes again.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

More College Freshmen Report Having Felt Depressed
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/more-college-freshmen-report-having-felt-depressed.html?_r=0

The prediction of creationists in the early 20th century of evolution theory bringing "hell to the highschool", turns out true.

With evolution theory you are creating a study environment in which any knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe is discarded, and with that any subjectivity about what made the decisions turn out the way they do is discarded as well. No room is provided for subjectivity at all, hence students become depressed.

Most significantly at Harvard, where the predominance of atheism is the largest. That hellhole where 50 percent of students become seriously depressed during their studentcareer, should be closed down as a health hazard for mental health.

Evolution has been taught for the better part of the last 100 years. Why would it suddenly cause people to be depressed? Or is it rather the incredible disparity between how much college costs, the amount of debt they will be in later or the fact that they will have a high statistical chance of being poor if they don't endure it? Or is it the prospect of economies possibly not being able to support their job?

What evidence do you have that evolution has anything to do with it?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

What if they've in fact thought through these opinions over an extended period of time, much as I suspect you have done with your own opinions on subjectivity?

I would respect anybody who has investigated common discourse.

 

[Kirran]

I would respect anybody who has investigated common discourse.

Subjectivity doesn't feature in any explicit manner in common discourse.

 

[outhouse]

Depression is a part of life. Lets look at someone in islam, and play OPs game.

Islam and creationism can cause severe depression.

Living with Depression and Islam | Virtual Mosque

Every morning I wake up and wish I hadn’t.


At nighttime I cry faintly into my pillow with tears streaming down my cheeks. I whimper in pain,


I whisper, “Oh Allah, I don’t want to live anymore. Oh Allah, please, I don’t want to live anymore.”

 

[The Hammer]

More College Freshmen Report Having Felt Depressed
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/more-college-freshmen-report-having-felt-depressed.html?_r=0

The prediction of creationists in the early 20th century of evolution theory bringing "hell to the highschool", turns out true.

With evolution theory you are creating a study environment in which any knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe is discarded, and with that any subjectivity about what made the decisions turn out the way they do is discarded as well. No room is provided for subjectivity at all, hence students become depressed.

Most significantly at Harvard, where the predominance of atheism is the largest. That hellhole where 50 percent of students become seriously depressed during their studentcareer, should be closed down as a health hazard for mental health.

There is no correlation between the two. The depression people feel and experience in college is due to the fact that a lot of college students are kids (18-20), who are now on their own away from their parents for the first time. It is a difficult period for anyone to go through, religious or irreligious.

The same thing happens to kids who get a job and move out of state, or join the military and leave home. It is all a part of the growing and maturing process.

Evolution does not equal Depression, this article didn't even mention anything about that.

 

[Sapiens]

It's gotten strange beyond belief. When I went to Cal it cost $150 per year, that's less than $1,500 in today's dollars. My son's tuition at a small liberal arts college is $65,000 a year (with housing and food) ... rather glad he's smart and works hard and got a full ride academic scholarship.

 

[Sapiens]

But people don't discuss subjectivity in common discourse. They discuss the latest football match, or their troubles at work, or their plans for the weekend.

An oracle is somebody who sees the future, by the way. Might you have mixed it up with another word?

I'm sure that Mohammad is the exception to your "rule," and that I find depressing.

 

[te_lanus]

Depression is a part of life. Lets look at someone in islam, and play OPs game.

Islam and creationism can cause severe depression.

Living with Depression and Islam | Virtual Mosque

I doubt you'll get an answer as it doesn't fit the picture/Message he's(she's) portraying. I've seen this type of discussion a million Times before from religious folks, when their theory doesn't fit or their is other facts that counter to their theory, they ignore it

 

[outhouse]

I doubt you'll get an answer as it doesn't fit the picture/Message he's(she's) portraying. I've seen this type of discussion a million Times before from religious folks, when their theory doesn't fit or their is other facts that counter to their theory, they ignore it

Understood, its why I have had to post this 3 - 4 times already

 

[columbus]

I've not read this whole thread because the OP is so lame. So maybe I am repeating somebody.
The common sense answer to why young people get depressed when they get to demanding institutions like Harvard is two fold.
The main reason is that they are going from a school where they are always one of the smartest kids in the room to a school where they are not. Half of all Harvard freshman are below average by Harvard's standard. That is a tough transition.
The other big reason is that they often abuse their new freedom and do things that back home their parents would have prevented. It is usually not a big deal, but they're not used to having to take responsibility for their actions.

For kids who have always had the world revolve around them reality is a *****. It can be depressing at first.

Nothing to do with evolution.

Tom

 

[Excaljnur]

I've been trying to wrap my head around this and think I finally got it.


Your deduction is (1) depression involved emotions and all emotions are unique, thus subjective. (2) Subjectivity results in different decisions, answers, explanations and opinions. (3) Evolution is a single explanation. So teaching evolution excludes other explanations -- like creationism. Thus, problems of depression in evolutionist universities are caused by teaching evolution.

This conclusion: teaching evolution is responsible for depression is caused by (1) a fallacious generalization that all evolutionists are Atheists -- with whom you disagree -- giving you a bias; (2) a false cause argument arising from your opinion that the absence of an option for creationist teachings in public universities -- which you've termed "subjectivity" -- is (dogmatically) wrong; and, (3) an ad hominem fallacy of avoiding objecting to the merits of evolution by attacking evolutionists (which you've generalized as Atheists).

Masking the true intent to argue for religious teaching (creationism) in public universities is an insincere rhetorical strategy. Also, attempting to refute the evidenced reasons in the articles by claiming that the "common sense" reason is more obvious (and correct) suggests you do not accept that the most evidenced reason is the "common sense" reason. If you are not willing to concede at least that axiom, you will confront many obstacles in your academic discourse and you will continue to be criticized for your irrationality by many on this forum.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?”-Sam Harris