Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[freethinker44]

More College Freshmen Report Having Felt Depressed
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/more-college-freshmen-report-having-felt-depressed.html?_r=0

The prediction of creationists in the early 20th century of evolution theory bringing "hell to the highschool", turns out true.

With evolution theory you are creating a study environment in which any knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe is discarded, and with that any subjectivity about what made the decisions turn out the way they do is discarded as well. No room is provided for subjectivity at all, hence students become depressed.

Most significantly at Harvard, where the predominance of atheism is the largest. That hellhole where 50 percent of students become seriously depressed during their studentcareer, should be closed down as a health hazard for mental health.

Even if what you're saying is true, which it's not, but even if it was all you have proven is that the truth hurts.

Also, I'm not sure you're using the word 'subjectivity' right. The whole paragraph where you talk about subjectivity doesn't really make any sense as far as I can tell.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Even if what you're saying is true, which it's not, but even if it was all you have proven is that the truth hurts.

Also, I'm not sure you're using the word 'subjectivity' right. The whole paragraph where you talk about subjectivity doesn't really make any sense as far as I can tell.

Evolution is not truth, the teacher is a liar. The teacher knows that things in the universe are chosen, but lies with evolution theory and natural selection theory, that things are not chosen.

The root of all subjectivity is the issue of what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does. With decisions there are always several results possible, so then there are no laws of nature which determine the result, so there are no facts on the issue. But that is no problem because you can just use subjectivity, expression of emotion, with free will, to choose an answer, form an opinion.

So we can see that opinion has a rightful place besides fact, opinions are about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does, and facts are about the resulting decisions. There is a world of difference when you attend a college where opinion is acknowledged as having a rightful place, and a college in which facts are competed against opinion, to the destruction of all opinioin, as it is in evolutionist colleges.

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is not truth

Its the factual truth.

the teacher is a liar

You have no credibility to attack a teacher who has the credentials and education you don't and you refuse.

You also did not answer the questions I posed to you, I would like honest answers from you

 

[freethinker44]

Evolution is not truth, the teacher is a liar. The teacher knows that things in the universe are chosen, but lies with evolution theory and natural selection theory, that things are not chosen.

Prove it.

So we can see that opinion has a rightful place besides fact, opinions are about what it is that makes a decision turn out the way it does, and facts are about the resulting decisions. There is a world of difference when you attend a college where opinion is acknowledged as having a rightful place, and a college in which facts are competed against opinion, to the destruction of all opinioin, as it is in evolutionist colleges.

While it pleases me that you do acknowledge that evolution is fact and creationism is opinion, you are wrong about their relationship. A fact is a fact regardless of anyone's opinion about it. To an intellectually honest person, facts should have power over opinions, that is, ideally facts will change opinions but opinions will never change facts.

 

[outhouse]

What decisions are made in the universe?

 

[Excaljnur]

Please don't give me that trite nonsense about Galileo and the scientific method.

Fair enough. I'll avoid overused examples.

When you are responsible you have to have an answer. And the answer you must go with must be the obvious answer. Then you investigate, but in this case such investigation will never provide any other answer. There will never be a study which proves beyond reasonable doubt exactly what the causes of the epidemic of depression at colleges are.

I don't understand why the obvious common sense claim can ever be the more responsible choice when an alternative answer with supporting evidence exists. How can a study that provides reasonable evidence, yet does not prove an answer beyond reasonable doubt, ever be less convincing that a common sense claim that provides no evidence at all? How can a common sense claim prove anything? I don't understand where you are coming from.

Still we can say by common sense that throwing out subjectivity increases depression.

When you say subjectivity, do you mean increased choice? Or increased availability of opinion? I think I have a different idea of what you mean of subjectivity and it making me miss your point. Can you explain what you mean by subjectivity?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

facts should have power over opinions, that is, ideally facts will change opinions but opinions will never change facts.

That is false and exactly the sort of attitude that leads to suppression and destruction of subjectivity.

You do not accept the obvious fact that depression means there is something wrong with the subjectivity of that person. Your acceptance of facts is just nonsense bureaucratic formalism of the scientific method, and has nothing to do with really just accepting plain facts in a straightforward way.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I don't understand why the obvious common sense claim can ever be the more responsible choice when an alternative answer with supporting evidence exists. How can a study that provides reasonable evidence, yet does not prove an answer beyond reasonable doubt, ever be less convincing that a common sense claim that provides no evidence at all? How can a common sense claim prove anything? I don't understand where you are coming from.

They never find incontrovertible evidence with these sorts of issues. It never happened and never will happen. All that such kind of studies ever provide is some stuff to think about.

Meanwhile as a decisionmaker you are responsible to have an answer, and that answer must be the obvious answer. If you think another answer than evolution theory is more obvious, then you should go with that.

However you cannot contest the very straight lines of reasoning, that depression means there is something wrong with subjectivity. You also cannot reasonably contest how subjectivity works. And you also cannot reasonably contest that evolution theory is held in opposition to creation theory, destroying any knowledge of decisions made in the universe.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Science isn't here to tell us what we want to hear, so if people get depressed at the thought of Evolution, then tough ****.

 

[Sapiens]

I'd say that is more likely that the depression is caused by more people going, unprepared, to tougher schools that cost more money than they used to. But this is nothing new. Cornell students gorged out, Berkeley students jumped from the Campanile, etc. Somehow I rather doubt that evolution caused any of this, however, evolution may have marginally reduced the future propensity for these actions.

 

[freethinker44]

That is false and exactly the sort of attitude that leads to suppression and destruction of subjectivity.

You do not accept the obvious fact that depression means there is something wrong with the subjectivity of that person. Your acceptance of facts is just nonsense bureaucratic formalism of the scientific method, and has nothing to do with really just accepting plain facts in a straightforward way.

I'm not going to lie, I barely understand what you are talking about. I still think you are using the word 'subjectivity' wrong, would you mind substituting a synonym so we can perhaps get a better grasp of what is meant.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I'm not going to lie, I barely understand what you are talking about. I still think you are using the word 'subjectivity' wrong, would you mind substituting a synonym so we can perhaps get a better grasp of what is meant.

My explanation of subjectivity is sufficient.

 

[Excaljnur]

However you cannot contest the very straight lines of reasoning, that depression means there is something wrong with subjectivity. You also cannot reasonably contest how subjectivity works.

What do you mean by subjectivity? Consciousness? Beliefs? I think you may be referring to something that goes by another term because subjectivity would be used in opposition to objectivity. Are you saying that there is too much objectivity in evolutionist schools? Can you define subjectivity as it is being used in your posts and use an example to differentiate a creationist university and an evolutionist university? Nobody seems understands your explanation of subjectivity.

 

[freethinker44]

My explanation of subjectivity is sufficient.

Then I guess I will stick with my first post: the truth hurts.

subjectivity(opinion) always take a backseat to objectivity(fact). Something is what it is regardless of what you or anyone else thinks it is. If subjective knowledge conflicts with objective knowledge then the subjective knowledge is simply false.

 

[Nietzsche]

Meanwhile as a decisionmaker you are responsible to have an answer, and that answer must be the obvious answer. If you think another answer than evolution theory is more obvious, then you should go with that.

Were someone to stab you in the throat, nothing you can decide, no opinion you hold, will change the sucking wound in your jugular. Things exist outside our conception of them. You can hold the opinion that you can fly, but each time you walk off the building you're going to hit the ground. Gravity does not cease to work just because you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[shawn001]

Can Religion and Spirituality Cause Depression?

While it was once thought religious and spiritual practices could benefit and prevent the effects of depression, newer studies are making a suggested linkage to just the opposite. In a study led by University of London Professor Michael King, a team of researchers asked the question whether or not religion and spirituality could be the cause of added depression after having discovered that particular faith mindsets appeared to be more susceptible to mental illnesses.


In the U.K., those of particular strong spiritual mindsets were three times more likely to experience the symptoms of depression compared to other groups. But no matter the participants looked to in various countries, none of those with a faith based background were protected from an onslaught of depressive symptoms. Those of varying religions showed a 11.5 percent sign of depression, while Catholics showed a 9.8 percent, Protestants a 10.9 percent and those without a specified religion a 10.8 percent.


Surprisingly so, nearly over a quarter of the participants shifted their view during the research. This was accompanied by the greater risk of experiencing depression, while those whom showed a lower risk shifted towards a more secular view path. While it is found in many that those experiencing hard times tend to lean towards a more spiritual outlook, researchers believe this explains the mental health and depression linkage found within this religion and spirituality connection. While the study only looked to particular areas of the world, past studies have also found that areas of the U.S. with the highest religious rates also had the highest rates of depression.


Read more at Can Religion and Spirituality Cause Depression?


"Surprisingly so, nearly over a quarter of the participants shifted their view during the research. This was accompanied by the greater risk of experiencing depression, while those whom showed a lower risk shifted towards a more secular view path. While it is found in many that those experiencing hard times tend to lean towards a more spiritual outlook, researchers believe this explains the mental health and depression linkage found within this religion and spirituality connection. While the study only looked to particular areas of the world, past studies have also found that areas of the U.S. with the highest religious rates also had the highest rates of depression.

With states like Mississippi, Utah, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Alabama in the top 10 with its strongly held religious beliefs, they were also the top 9 states of those on anti-depressants. Utah residents (the second most religious state) in particular are twice as likely to be prescribed an anti-depressant than the overall American population."


Can Religion and Spirituality Cause Depression?

 

[Kirran]

We both know that you mean something entirely different with choosing than creationists do.

Well, lots of creationists have different views on where choosing springs from. I think the word choosing means the same thing to everybody, but opinions about how it fits in vary, both within creationists and within evolutionists.

And ofcourse the decisions to create man and woman and the earth, are of more substantial emotive significance.

Well I don't believe that human beings or the Earth were created in a literal sense.

I am on a different spiritual path to yourself, and so have different ideas about the origins of things. Ultimately, it's all rather irrelevant, as our perceptions are illusory in any case.

 

[Shad]

It helps to read what you link so you can find clarification for the article. http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/college-kids-are-getting-more-depressed/?ref=topics

Seems like the study identifies socializing as an issue as was the use of media as an outlet for socializing rather than direct interaction

College Faces Mental Health Crisis | News | The Harvard Crimson

Read it, mental health issues an individual had, none cited the causes was a biology course.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Then I guess I will stick with my first post: the truth hurts.

subjectivity(opinion) always take a backseat to objectivity(fact). Something is what it is regardless of what you or anyone else thinks it is. If subjective knowledge conflicts with objective knowledge then the subjective knowledge is simply false.

I already explained to you how subjectivity works, how what you say is false.

 

[Shad]

I'd say that is more likely that the depression is caused by more people going, unprepared, to tougher schools that cost more money than they used to. But this is nothing new. Cornell students gorged out, Berkeley students jumped from the Campanile, etc. Somehow I rather doubt that evolution caused any of this, however, evolution may have marginally reduced the future propensity for these actions.

This was my experience especially when tuition went up 300% for some of my courses. I could of built a house with the amount of bricks I was producing.