Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Kirran]

The straightforward obvious answer is that it is caused by evolution theory.

How's that obvious? How can you tell that it correlates?

If it DOES correlate, how can you confirm that it's caused by it? Correlation does not equal cause, after all.

 

[gsa]

My sources provide data on rates of depression among college students.

They also offer classes on Islam. Maybe that's the culprit. Hey, I was in college on 9/11, and it was awfully depressing...

 

[Parsimony]

The straightforward obvious answer is that it is caused by evolution theory.

That is nowhere near "straightforward" or "obvious".

 

[Riverwolf]

The straightforward obvious answer is that it is caused by evolution theory.

Why evolutionary theory and not math? Or history? Or physics? (I hear physics classes are notoriously brutal?)

Or nothing to do with a specific field but the simple fact that pressure to "succeed" has increased a lot over the years, and that's resulted in severe depression?

 

[outhouse]

My sources provide data on rates of depression among college students.

You factually stated something else.

Your source does not back what you claimed it did.

 

[Excaljnur]

College Faces Mental Health Crisis
Overwhelming majority of students have felt depressed in last year
By KATHARINE A. KAPLAN, CRIMSON STAFF WRITER January 12, 2004
College Faces Mental Health Crisis | News | The Harvard Crimson

Thanks for the link. It clears thing up a lot. The quotes below best summarize the article.

"About 1,800 graduates and undergraduates visit UHS Mental Health Services every year. . ."

'But many students, like former Undergraduate Council President Rohit Chopra ’04, say that Harvard’s mental health resources are “pathetic.” '

"In interviews for this series, 24 students who have sought mental health treatment at Harvard described a confusing and hit-or-miss system that often failed to improve their situations."

". . . the high pressure students face before arriving at college, an increase in the number of admitted students with mental health problems and a national destigmatization of therapy are causing more students to seek mental health care." - National Institute of Mental Health

“You [Harvard] have many of the best people,” says Dr. Clarice J. Kestenbaum, former president of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, who says she knows many of those involved with mental health care at Harvard. "These things should not be that difficult to address,” she says. “You would think at Harvard there would be the best effort to have the best system possible.”

The best evidence suggests that the depression that Harvard students and other college students feel and suffer from is mainly caused by: (1) growing workloads before and during college; (2) poor mental health services; and (3) a stigma surrounding those who receive mental health support. You can still claim that teaching evolution causes depression, but that would be a very weak claim. Until you provide a connection between evolution and depression it won't be a strong claim.

 

[Nietzsche]

My sources provide data on rates of depression among college students.

Amongst hundreds of different fields of study, different faiths, different backgrounds, different outlooks..I could go on.

You may not know this since you seen to be anti-education & knowledge, but in the civilized world we go to college or university to gain a higher education, for work or for simple curiosity. It's stressful. And campus psychiatric facilities tend to be lacking. Mix that with the economic crisis many are going through and you have a recipe to take a high-stress environment even higher.

I know I'm wasting my time here, with you, but I can't and won't let someone who may genuinely not know better(not you, you should by now) get tricked into this inane mindset.

 

[shawn001]

The straightforward obvious answer is that it is caused by evolution theory.

You are being so dishonest here its over the top.

Fortunately we have biology "based on evolution" to help treat depression.


College depression: What parents need to know
College depression is a common problem. Understand why the transition to college makes young adults vulnerable to depression — and what you can do about it.

College depression: What parents need to know - Mayo Clinic

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

The best evidence suggests that the depression that Harvard students and other college students feel and suffer from is mainly caused by: (1) growing workloads before and during college; (2) poor mental health services; and (3) a stigma surrounding those who receive mental health support. You can still claim that teaching evolution causes depression, but that would be a very weak claim. Until you provide a connection between evolution and depression it won't be a strong claim.

It is the obvious common sense claim. The possible causes the article talked about are not really established as fact.

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.
2 Obviously emotions are what makes a decision turn out the way they do for people.
3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.
4 Therefore obviously evolution theory causes depression, by throwing out subjectivity together with throwing out all knowledge about how things are chosen.

 

[Kirran]

It is the obvious common sense claim. The possible causes the article talked about are not really established as fact.

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.
2 Obviously emotions are what makes a decision turn out the way they do for people.
3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.
4 Therefore obviously evolution theory causes depression, by throwing out subjectivity together with throwing out all knowledge about how things are chosen.

Man, I really feel like logic was thrown out the window on number 3. I've never experienced evolutionary theory sabotaging decision-making. I've studied it for years, and I feel like I'm OK.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Man, I really feel like logic was thrown out the window on number 3. I've never experienced evolutionary theory sabotaging decision-making. I've studied it for years, and I feel like I'm OK.

Name 1 decision in the history of the universe then, evolutionist.

 

[outhouse]

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.

Depression is a part of life. Lets look at someone in islam, and play OPs game.

Islam and creationism can cause severe depression.

Living with Depression and Islam | Virtual Mosque

Every morning I wake up and wish I hadn’t.


At nighttime I cry faintly into my pillow with tears streaming down my cheeks. I whimper in pain,


I whisper, “Oh Allah, I don’t want to live anymore. Oh Allah, please, I don’t want to live anymore.”

 

[Kirran]

Name 1 decision in the history of the universe then, evolutionist.

My decision to reply to your post, creationist.

 

[outhouse]

3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.

What decisions are made in the universe?

 

[outhouse]

about how things are chosen.

What is chosen?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

My decision to reply to your post, creationist.

We both know that you mean something entirely different with choosing than creationists do. And ofcourse the decisions to create man and woman and the earth, are of more substantial emotive significance.

 

[Parsimony]

It is the obvious common sense claim. The possible causes the article talked about are not really established as fact.

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.
2 Obviously emotions are what makes a decision turn out the way they do for people.
3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.
4 Therefore obviously evolution theory causes depression, by throwing out subjectivity together with throwing out all knowledge about how things are chosen.

The Common Sense Fallacy

 

[Nietzsche]

We both know that you mean something entirely different with choosing than creationists do. And ofcourse the decisions to create man and woman and the earth, are of more substantial emotive significance.

Question.

If it is wrong(evolution), why does it explain everything so well? Why can a scientist using evolution predict how a species was at one time, and when we find it, it turns out that they were right? Creationism utterly fails to explain anything in the natural world. It provides no answers, no method, no knowledge. It's an abject failure on every conceivable level.

 

[Excaljnur]

It is the obvious common sense claim. The possible causes the article talked about are not really established as fact.

1 When you talk about depression, then obviously there is something wrong with people's emotions, their subjectivity.
2 Obviously emotions are what makes a decision turn out the way they do for people.
3 Obviously evolution theory sabotages teaching about any decisions made in the universe.
4 Therefore obviously evolution theory causes depression, by throwing out subjectivity together with throwing out all knowledge about how things are chosen.

An argument supported with common sense claims is only representative of a very small sample-namely, just you. Your claim is only common sense to your observation of reality. The connection you are making is still weak because it relies on other people seeing the "obviousness" of the connection you are proposing between evolution and depression. For this reason it is hardly persuasive, no matter how true it may be.

Consider how correct Galileo was in explaining the his view of the universe and how difficult it was for him to convince people of the truth of his claims. At the time, the common sense claim was that the sun orbited the earth. That was rather obvious, since from earth the sun does appear to pass through the sky in an orbit. He discovered and only could convince anyone that the earth orbited the sun was through providing evidence. That is what the researchers studying depression at Harvard are doing. They are trying to debunk dangerous common sense claims that lead to faulty policies and a waste of money and time. They are providing evidence to support what they think are the most likely and influential causes. And yes, they are not establishing fact, rather they are establishing factual correlations which is currently the best evidence available.

Common sense claims do not prove anything and they are usually misleading. Also, saying something is obvious doesn't make it true, or any more true.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

An argument supported with common sense claims is only representative of a very small sample-namely, just you. Your claim is only common sense to your observation of reality. The connection you are making is still weak because it relies on other people seeing the "obviousness" of the connection you are proposing between evolution and depression. For this reason it is hardly persuasive, no matter how true it may be.

Consider how correct Galileo was in explaining the his view of the universe and how difficult it was for him to convince people of the truth of his claims. At the time, the common sense claim was that the sun orbited the earth. That was rather obvious, since from earth the sun does appear to pass through the sky in an orbit. He discovered and only could convince anyone that the earth orbited the sun was through providing evidence. That is what the researchers studying depression at Harvard are doing. They are trying to debunk dangerous common sense claims that lead to faulty policies and a waste of money and time. They are providing evidence to support what they think are the most likely and influential causes. And yes, they are not establishing fact, rather they are establishing factual correlations which is currently the best evidence available.

Common sense claims do not prove anything and they are usually misleading. Also, saying something is obvious doesn't make it true, or any more true.

Please don't give me that trite nonsense about Galileo and the scientific method.

When you are responsible you have to have an answer. And the answer you must go with must be the obvious answer. Then you investigate, but in this case such investigation will never provide any other answer. There will never be a study which proves beyond reasonable doubt exactly what the causes of the epidemic of depression at colleges are.

Still we can say by common sense that throwing out subjectivity increases depression.