EvolutionISM, the odd man out.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do Not mean to imply that the ancient people, the sons of God, were any different than ourselves. They looked the same, could produce offspring with Humans, and were the pinnacle of evolutionary growth BUT they were Not Human. Noah is the Missing Link between animal and Human Intelligence, on this Planet. That's God's Truth, not mine.

Ah. I see your game: you've decided that "pre-Noah" humans are not human. Any evidence that I provide of ancient peoples will be dismissed as being from these creatures that looked like humans and could breed with humans, but for some unknown reason have been defined by you as not human. It's a warped version of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Bring forth your evidence that we evolved our Human Intelligence naturally, in contradiction to God's Truth. You cannot, and neither can any other person with a real interest in knowing the Truth of the Creation.

I doubt I can give you any evidence that would be able to convince you, but that doesn't mean that human intelligence didn't evolve naturally.

 

[Father Heathen]

Nope. In fact, I've waited patiently for just One Godless Evol to bring forth evidence that we "evolved" our Human intelligence, and None has been posted. Blind Evol worshippers, like you, consider that a more plausible scenario, I suppose. :yes:

Here you go: The Evidence. However I cannot help but think that, like a mindless automaton, you'll blindly reject it regardless. If you dislike science so much, what business do you have using any medicine or technology? Why are you sitting at an evil, godless computer?

 

[4Pillars]

Ah. I see your game: you've decided that "pre-Noah" humans are not human. Any evidence that I provide of ancient peoples will be dismissed as being from these creatures that looked like humans and could breed with humans, but for some unknown reason have been defined by you as not human. It's a warped version of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

I doubt I can give you any evidence that would be able to convince you, but that doesn't mean that human intelligence didn't evolve naturally.

There is a difference between animal and Human Intelligence, but today's science is ignorant of it. The difference is that animals are innocent, for they don't know good and evil. Humans do, and will be judged for the deeds done in the flesh, whether they be good or evil.

Cain, after being thrown out of the Garden of Eden, built a city right away – virtually with no evolution. That’s what happen when you posses human intelligence. You don’t have to wait for 4.5 million years to built yourself a home.

Go to Mesopotamia [Article] - World Book Online Americas Edition or any other Encyclopedia, and you will find that the first Human Civilization, is found in Mesopatamia, EXACTLY as described in Scripture. Failure to show an Earlier Human Civilization will be the test. Either show us another, according to History, or we must accept History, which shows that God knew exactly what He wrote. When you accept the Historical evidence, you will go exactly opposite of the Religion of the Evolution of Human Intelligence. Science should quit fighting History, in it's attempt to establish it's False Religion.

:sorry1:

 

[Magic Man]

There is a difference between animal and Human Intelligence, but today's science is ignorant of it. The difference is that animals are innocent, for they don't know good and evil. Humans do, and will be judged for the deeds done in the flesh, whether they be good or evil.

Cain, after being thrown out of the Garden of Eden, built a city right away – virtually with no evolution. That’s what happen when you posses human intelligence. You don’t have to wait for 4.5 million years to built yourself a home.

Go to Mesopotamia [Article] - World Book Online Americas Edition or any other Encyclopedia, and you will find that the first Human Civilization, is found in Mesopatamia, EXACTLY as described in Scripture. Failure to show an Earlier Human Civilization will be the test. Either show us another, according to History, or we must accept History, which shows that God knew exactly what He wrote. When you accept the Historical evidence, you will go exactly opposite of the Religion of the Evolution of Human Intelligence. Science should quit fighting History, in it's attempt to establish it's False Religion.

:sorry1:

OK, so this is done, then. I tried, as well as others. For a real debate, you need to at least acknowledge the other side's arguments. You're not even doing that. I'm going to stop posting here, as it will be completely ignored by the person at whom it is directed. If you learn how to debate, let me know, and we can have a dialogue rather than a monolgoue.

 

[4Pillars]

Here you go: The Evidence. However I cannot help but think that, like a mindless automaton, you'll blindly reject it regardless. If you dislike science so much, what business do you have using any medicine or technology? Why are you sitting at an evil, godless computer?

Who told you I dislike TRUE Science? Are you under medication?

Do you have anything to articulate in your own word in response to my topic?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is a difference between animal and Human Intelligence, but today's science is ignorant of it. The difference is that animals are innocent, for they don't know good and evil. Humans do, and will be judged for the deeds done in the flesh, whether they be good or evil.

I disagree with some of your assumptions. For example, anyone who's spent time around dogs will see that they often know when they've misbehaved.

Cain, after being thrown out of the Garden of Eden, built a city right away – virtually with no evolution. That’s what happen when you posses human intelligence. You don’t have to wait for 4.5 million years to built yourself a home.

So Cain's one of your "real" humans? I thought you said that they didn't show up until Noah.

 

[4Pillars]

OK, so this is done, then. I tried, as well as others. For a real debate, you need to at least acknowledge the other side's arguments. You're not even doing that. I'm going to stop posting here, as it will be completely ignored by the person at whom it is directed. If you learn how to debate, let me know, and we can have a dialogue rather than a monolgoue.

I've given you God's Holy Word, but as a Godless Evol, you cannot possibly believe, since you have excluded Him from your thinking. I've also given you a dilemma which NO Evol can explain. Tell us How and When we became Human. God told us, and NO Evol has succeeded in showing that God is a Liar, and you are included.

Todays Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the descendants of PrehistoricMan. Evolutionism is the odd man out. We did not evolve our human intelligence from mindless nature. We inherited it from Adam, the first human. I am sorry for your Scriptural IGNORANCE since it is clearly revealed in Gen 6.

 

[Magic Man]

I've also given you a dilemma which NO Evol can explain. Tell us How and When we became Human. God told us, and NO Evol has succeeded in showing that God is a Liar, and you are included.

Todays Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the descendants of PrehistoricMan. I am sorry for your Scriptural ignorance since it is clearly revealed in Gen 6.

As I said, let me know when you learn how to debate, and not just talk to hear yourself talk.

 

[Father Heathen]

Who told you I dislike TRUE Science? Are you under medication?

Do you have anything to articulate in your own word in response to my topic?

Sorry, but "goddidit" is not true science. You see, real science is taking all the evidence available, and then gathering a conclusion from it. The same method that gives us medical break throughs and inventions. Creationists, on the other hand, start out with a conclusion already in mind, then try to find evidence in support of it. You put on a facade of scientific investigation, but in reality you reject solid findings and conclusions merely because they don't run parallel with some old superstitious book written by bronze age goat herders.

 

[4Pillars]

Sorry, but "goddidit" is not true science. You see, real science is taking all the evidence available, and then gathering a conclusion from it. The same method that gives us medical break throughs and inventions. Creationists, on the other hand, start out with a conclusion already in mind, then try to find evidence in support of it. You put on a facade of scientific investigation, but in reality you reject solid findings and conclusions merely because they don't run parallel with some old superstitious book written by bronze age goat herders.

Since you stuck your nose into the discussion, you should tell us How and When mankind changed from animal to Human.......or admit your ignorance....or would you have us believe that we have been Human from the beginning?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I've given you God's Holy Word, but as a Godless Evol, you cannot possibly believe, since you have excluded Him from your thinking. I've also given you a dilemma which NO Evol can explain. Tell us How and When we became Human. God told us, and NO Evol has succeeded in showing that God is a Liar, and you are included.

You're asking the wrong questions.

Once you can tell us the exact spot where Ensatina eschscholtzii klauberi salamanders become E. e. croceater and where Lesser Black-Backed Gulls become Herring Gulls, then maybe we can discuss where and when humans became "human".

The reason nobody's given you an answer to your question is because there isn't one. The history of life is gradual change. There's no particular point where you can say "Aha! They're 'X' before here and humans after!"

 

[Father Heathen]

When does grape juice become wine? It's a slow progression, not point A *poof* point B.

 

[logician]

Since you stuck your nose into the discussion, you should tell us How and When mankind changed from animal to Human.......or admit your ignorance....or would you have us believe that we have been Human from the beginning?

Never, we're still just animal - smart primates.

 

[4Pillars]

You're asking the wrong questions.

Once you can tell us the exact spot where Ensatina eschscholtzii klauberi salamanders become E. e. croceater and where Lesser Black-Backed Gulls become Herring Gulls, then maybe we can discuss where and when humans became "human".

The reason nobody's given you an answer to your question is because there isn't one. The history of life is gradual change. There's no particular point where you can say "Aha! They're 'X' before here and humans after!"

Things reproduce according to their kind, just like the Bible says (Genesis 1:11,12,21,24,25). They always have and they always will—while ever this world exists.

… But no new 'kinds'
There are many breeds of pigeons, cattle, horses, dogs, etc., but they are all pigeons, cattle, horses, dogs, etc. Recombination of existing genes can produce enormous variety within a kind, but the variation is limited by the genes present. If there are no genes present for producing feathers, you can breed reptiles for a billion years and you will not get anything with feathers! Polyploidy (multiplication of the number of chromosomes), chromosome translocations, recombination and even (possibly) mutations can generate 'new species', but not new information, not new characteristics for which there were no genes to start with. (Carl Sagan, The Dragons of Eden, Hodder and Stoughton, London)

Back to the topic, the bone of contention here is whether Godless evols can produce evidence of human CIVILIZATION before Mesopotamia to support their claim that we evolved our human intelligence from mindless nature.

NO Evol has ever shown us ANY older Human Civilization than that which occurred in Northern Mesopotamia, just SOUTH of the mountains of Ararat, EXACTLY as described in Scripture. How many times do I have to post it, until just One Evol answers my proof with something other than ad hominem?

City building is one of the Traits of Humans. Reading, Writing, Math, Accounting, and every other trait of Modern Humans began just South of the mountains of Ararat. God told us this some 3,000 years ago. One Day we will give Him proper respect. God's Truth is the Truth in Every way.

 

[4Pillars]

Never, we're still just animal - smart primates.

Are you claiming to be sinlessly Perfect? If not, then you are Not an innocent animal, but a guilty Hypocrite. Try Again.

 

[4Pillars]

I present You as factual evidence that God made everything that moves, including Humans. All Humans descended from Adam, the first Human. Science has NO idea How or When we inherited our Human Intelligence, but Moses knew, and told of it more than 3,000 years ago.

This evidence, which agrees with every true discovery of Science, History, is True to Scripture, and shows that Evols would Not be here, to post their ideas, if Noah had not brought Human Intelligence to this "Planet of Apes". The fact that they can organize a thought, and type it into their computer, separates them from all other animals, and identifies them as "Human".

Mindless Evolution nor Uncaring Nature produced Human Intelligence. That's the Big Lie and that's Evolutionism, the Evol Religion. No Un-Intelligent entity, nor Flawed Theory, ever produced anything. Jesus made it or it's Not here.

Therefore, I ask again, Evols, please state factual evidence for EvolutionISM here:

 

[Father Heathen]

Are you claiming to be sinlessly Perfect? If not, then you are Not an innocent animal, but a guilty Hypocrite. Try Again.

"Sinlessly perfect" is a theological concept that has nothing at all to do with biology. It's meaningless.

 

[4Pillars]

"Sinlessly perfect" is a theological concept that has nothing at all to do with biology. It's meaningless.

Perhaps, you need to have somebody to read and explain to you the whole context of the quote that you're trying respond to. I understand that your reading comprehesion is a little bit slow. I suggest that you get some help.

The point that you failed to realize is -- we don't put animals to court trial simply because they are innocent creatures, therefore, the guy I was responding who claimed to be an innocent animal is a guilty hypoctrite who knows right and wrong.

:yes:

 

[Father Heathen]

Biologically, we *are* animals. But we are sentient. That's the difference, and sentience has nothing to do with divine magic.

 

[Zephyr]

Define "Kind" please.