EvolutionISM, the odd man out.

[4Pillars]

Define "Kind" please.

Here's a very simple definition -- Kinds = Part of the same family/breed of species.

I do hope you can give us an example. What I am looking for is not just new COPIES of existing genetic information, those are not “new genetic information”, what I am looking for is an example of an evolutionary process whereby a sightless creature, for example, gained new genetic information such that this creature can then see.

Do you have any evidence to show?

 

[gnostic]

Suddenly, some 10,000 + - years ago, Noah arrived on this Planet. Less than 100 miles south of the mountains of Ararat, the 1st evidences of Human Civilization are observed. NO man could have told us that our 1st Civilization is traceable to Noah and his grandsons, but God told us this more than 3,000 years ago.

It should be obvious that the "sons of God" (prehistoric mankind) , who were here when Noah arrived, were as highly evolved, in intelligence, as any animal, but they had Never written their name, had math, nor ever built a City, after millions of years of Evolution. Prehistoric Mankind was too ignorant to write his History until Noah arrived some 10,000 years ago.

If you do the maths properly, Adam didn't exist before 5760 years (thus 3760 BC). If Adam didn't exist 6000 years ago, then Noah certainly couldn't exist 10,000 years ago.
The flood didn't happened until around 2100 BC, though some would say 2300 years. Civilisations like Sumerian and Akkadian, and Egyptian did exist before, during and after the period of Noah's flood, because there were no global flood in the magnitude of what the Genesis say. The continuation of the dynasty in both Egypt and Mesopotamia, without break in the lines because of a flood of biblical size, indicates there were no flood at either date (2100 BC or 2300 BC).

Some creationists used the flood of the Black Sea, but this happened over couple millenniums before that of Noah's Flood. So the Black Sea flood can't be that of the bible's flood. Plain and simple - the timing is wrong.

 

[4Pillars]

If you do the maths properly, Adam didn't exist before 5760 years (thus 3760 BC). If Adam didn't exist 6000 years ago, then Noah certainly couldn't exist 10,000 years ago.
The flood didn't happened until around 2100 BC, though some would say 2300 years. Civilisations like Sumerian and Akkadian, and Egyptian did exist before, during and after the period of Noah's flood, because there were no global flood in the magnitude of what the Genesis say. The continuation of the dynasty in both Egypt and Mesopotamia, without break in the lines because of a flood of biblical size, indicates there were no flood at either date (2100 BC or 2300 BC).

Some creationists used the flood of the Black Sea, but this happened over couple millenniums before that of Noah's Flood. So the Black Sea flood can't be that of the bible's flood. Plain and simple - the timing is wrong.

You are confusing Ussher's dating with the actual dating. Noah arrived some 10,000 years ago. History confirms this. Humanity was scattered to the whole Earth from Babel, in Northern Mesopotamia. Noah's descendants moved from the mountains to the valley, the land between the rivers, just South of the mountains of Ararat.

Have you read this one? MesopotamiaMesopotamia, «MEHS uh puh TAY mee uh», was an ancient region in which the world's earliest civilization developed. Mesopotamia included the area that is now eastern Syria, southeastern Turkey, and most of Iraq. It extended from the Taurus Mountains in the north to the Persian Gulf in the south, and from the Zagros Mountains in the east to the Syrian Desert in the west. But the heart of the region was the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The name Mesopotamia comes from a Greek word meaning between rivers. Northern Mesopotamia was a plateau that had a mild climate. Parts of it received enough rain for crops to grow. In southern Mesopotamia, a plain of fertile soil left by floodwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers provided rich farmland. But the long, hot summers and little rain in this area made irrigation necessary for agriculture. The oldest known communities in northern Mesopotamia were villages established in the Zagros foothills by about 7000 B.C.

The first Human Cities, on this Planet, were built just South of the mountains of Ararat. Noah is the missing link between animal and Human Intelligence. Noah brought Human Intelligence to this Planet of innocent animals. God's Word is the Truth in every way.

 

[logician]

Are you claiming to be sinlessly Perfect? If not, then you are Not an innocent animal, but a guilty Hypocrite. Try Again.

I don't accept the concept of "sin", a religious concept. Neither am I perfect.
You are defining "human" in terms of god's creation, a concept I reject.

 

[gnostic]

Sorry, 4pillars, but you still have proven how Noah related to prehistorical cultures.

Where are the evidences that tie Noah to any of the Neolithic communities? So far you have you have given far-fetched conclusions with no Noah had lived 10000 years ago.

A village, or even a group of villages, doesn't make a city, let alone, a civilisation.

 

[gnomon]

After 4.53 Billion years, Evolution had Not produced even 1 Human Civilization, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat.

Suddenly, some 10,000 + - years ago, Noah arrived on this Planet. Less than 100 miles south of the mountains of Ararat, the 1st evidences of Human Civilization are observed. NO man could have told us that our 1st Civilization is traceable to Noah and his grandsons, but God told us this more than 3,000 years ago.

For years, Evols have searched in vain for a Human Civilization older than that which is written in Scripture. There is NONE, because Noah brought Human Intelligence and Civilization to this "Planet of Apes", after their World was destroyed by Water.

It should be obvious that the "sons of God" (prehistoric mankind) , who were here when Noah arrived, were as highly evolved, in intelligence, as any animal, but they had Never written their name, had math, nor ever built a City, after millions of years of Evolution. Prehistoric Mankind was too ignorant to write his History until Noah arrived some 10,000 years ago.

This, of course, means that Macro is a Lie and God's Holy Word is the Truth. We did not Evolve our Human Intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, exactly as God told us we did. If Noah had not left his world and came to this Planet, we would still be innocent Apes, because Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human.

Evols, please list your so called "evidences" down below....

Lizard people put us here. It's quite obvious. It says so in my book. You could read it but it would scorch your eyes.

Prove me wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I present You as factual evidence that God made everything that moves, including Humans. All Humans descended from Adam, the first Human. Science has NO idea How or When we inherited our Human Intelligence, but Moses knew, and told of it more than 3,000 years ago.

You and I are factual evidence that things that move, including humans exist. Please provide evidence for the rest of your claim.

NO Evol has ever shown us ANY older Human Civilization than that which occurred in Northern Mesopotamia, just SOUTH of the mountains of Ararat, EXACTLY as described in Scripture. How many times do I have to post it, until just One Evol answers my proof with something other than ad hominem?

As I already mentioned, there were paleolithic human civilizations in Europe 30,000 years ago and earlier. There were plenty of other ancient human civilizations that were blossoming around the same time: the beginning of the Upper Paleolithic (~40,000 years ago) marks the beginning of the appearance of many traits of civilization, such as toolmaking, artistry, and ceremonial burial.

Examples from this period:

Egypt, where evidence of permanent settlements, ritual burial and agriculture can be found:

With the sites from these periods archaeologists begin to see the signs of "true" cultures emerging. The Qadan (13,000 - 9,000 BC) sites, stretching from the Second Cataract of the Nile to Tushka (about 250 km upriver from Aswan), actually have cemeteries and evidence of ritual burial. It is also during this time that the first great experiments in ordered agriculture began. Grinding stones and blades have been found in great numbers with a glossy film of silica on them, possibly the result of cut grass stems.

Britain, where evidence has been found of trade between ancient peoples circa 12,000 BC:

Some of the flint at Gough's Cave came from the Vale of Pewsey in Wiltshire whilst non-local seashells and amber from the North Sea coast also indicate a highly mobile population. This matches evidence from the Magdelanian cultures elsewhere in Europe and may suggest that exchange of goods and the sending out of specialised expeditions seeking raw materials may have been practised.

Here's a very simple definition -- Kinds = Part of the same family/breed of species.

Define "family/breed of species", please.

 

[gnostic]

Science has NO idea How or When we inherited our Human Intelligence, but Moses knew, and told of it more than 3,000 years ago.

Where does Moses ever say 3000 years?

Where do get these silly claims?

There is only 599 years between that of Noah's Flood and that of Jacob's death. Or 582 years between that of the Flood and when Jacob first arrived in Egypt. Exodus 12:40-41 say that the Israelites stayed in Egypt for 430 years (which I think is excessive, considering that after Jacob, the generations were shorter in both number and in years). So in total that is only 1019 years from the Flood to Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt.

 

[Sola'lor]

Noah came from another planet?! :areyoucra

 

[4Pillars]

Noah came from another planet?! :areyoucra

Correct! Ancient "Mankind" changed from prehistoric to "Human" just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.

Today's Humans contain the DNA of Mt Eve, a Prehistoric woman who lived some 150K years ago. We also contain the abiltiy to know good and evil, and we have a higher intelligence than Any other Creature.

How did we get this higher Intelligence? and When? History is clear. We began to build Human Civilization AFTER Noah arrived on this planet, just south of the mountains of Ararat. Scripture and History agree, but Evols remain ignorant of the Truth.

 

[4Pillars]

Where does Moses ever say 3000 years?

Where do get these silly claims?

There is only 599 years between that of Noah's Flood and that of Jacob's death. Or 582 years between that of the Flood and when Jacob first arrived in Egypt. Exodus 12:40-41 say that the Israelites stayed in Egypt for 430 years (which I think is excessive, considering that after Jacob, the generations were shorter in both number and in years). So in total that is only 1019 years from the Flood to Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt.

The outward expansion of our Universe is some 15 Billion light years from it's beginning. The 1st Universe, which was destroyed by water (the world of Adam-Noah), is beyond our Cosmos, which would make it more than 15 Billion light years away. Today's feeble scientists know of No matter which exists beyond the 15 Billion light years they can "see", today.

The scientific discovery of the age of this Present Universe is in complete accord with Scripture. Those who tell you otherwise only demonstrate their luck of understanding of the same.



IOW, in my Father's house there are many mansions. IF it were not so, Jesus would have told you.

 

[Escéptico]

IOW, in my Father's house there are many mansions. IF it were not so, Jesus would have told you.

Think of how many lives he would have saved if he'd told us about the germs his dad created.

 

[4Pillars]

Think of how many lives he would have saved if he'd told us about the germs his dad created.

Sorry, but NO flesh and blood can enter the kingdom of God. Your flesh is meant to decay here on this planet. Unless you confess your sins and repent your inner soul (free of germs) will not be saved.

 

[4Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water, abundantly, on Day 5. This included the living prehistoric mankind that moveth. Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo. They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, abundantly, on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground. The creatures made from the dust were identical to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.

Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, after the rain/mist. Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures. Like the animals made from the dust, man also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet. We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day. Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Scientist could avoid many stupid assumptions if they would read Scripture.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Dear Readers,

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water, abundantly, on Day 5. This included the living prehistoric mankind that moveth. Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo. They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, abundantly, on Day 5.

Interesting interpretation. Any particular reason why we should accept your version over others?

 

[4Pillars]

You and I are factual evidence that things that move, including humans exist. Please provide evidence for the rest of your claim.

As I already mentioned, there were paleolithic human civilizations in Europe 30,000 years ago and earlier. There were plenty of other ancient human civilizations that were blossoming around the same time: the beginning of the Upper Paleolithic (~40,000 years ago) marks the beginning of the appearance of many traits of civilization, such as toolmaking, artistry, and ceremonial burial.

Examples from this period:

Egypt, where evidence of permanent settlements, ritual burial and agriculture can be found:

Britain, where evidence has been found of trade between ancient peoples circa 12,000 BC:

Define "family/breed of species", please.

Sorry but your bias referrence dating method is questionable and only based on PRESUMPTION & GUESS work as usual. Here's the disclaimer of your link that you wish will go unnotice. TRY AGAIN.

Quote:
A Note on Dates
All dates presented in this prehistory of Egypt are largely conjecture. The methods most often used to date artifacts and remains, namely carbon-14 and potassium-argon decay, are not very useful in calculating dates in the Lower and early Middle Paleolithic eras. Many dates given, especially those before 45,000 BC, are based largely on cross-dating with better-dated archaeological sites from around the world.

 

[4Pillars]

Interesting interpretation. Any particular reason why we should accept your version over others?

After so many years of trials and errors, finally, Science agreed that ALL living things came from the water -- as documented in the Scripture. Why would you now disagree wit it? Do you have any reason to refute this discovery and finding?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

After so many years of trials and errors, finally, Science agreed that ALL living things came from the water -- as documented in the Scripture.

When taken literally, the Scripture you're referring to says that all living things were formed from dust by God. Most living things were destroyed by water; none were created.

Why would you now disagree wit it? Do you have any reason to refute this discovery and finding?

So... because you've twisted the Bible around to make it say that life came from water, we should accept that we were planted here by aliens? One does not automatically imply the other.

 

[4Pillars]

When taken literally, the Scripture you're referring to says that all living things were formed from dust by God. Most living things were destroyed by water; none were created.


So... because you've twisted the Bible around to make it say that life came from water, we should accept that we were planted here by aliens? One does not automatically imply the other.

Sorry, but heathens can NOT understand Scripture because they have eyes that can NOT see and ears that can NOT hear . Are you telling me that you can understand Scripture? Get real!

Here's what the Scripture says about the living creatures on the 5th day -- before Jesus formed His kind from the dust of the ground on the 6th day -- after the mist/rain that watered the whole face of the ground.

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the MOVING CREATURE THAT HATH LIFE, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. v21 And God created great whales, and EVERY LIVING CREATURE that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, AFTER THEIR KIND, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. v22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

EvolutionISM is the odd man out. TRY AGAIN?

 

[Sola'lor]

Wow, this thread is too weird for me.