Evolutionists, atheists,scientists Insist On Facts, Yet Live By Faith

[Father Heathen]

The irony is staggering of some people who insist and depend on the facts for evidence to support their particular positions, yet live the greater portion of their lives on the premise of faith. It's blatant hypocricy in my view.

Knowledge seemingly appears over rated in the field of science and philosophy when much of everything including knowledge has it's basis on faith.

Faith in evolutionary process leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence enough to believe, but is of a natural origin

Faith in intelligent design / creationism / God, leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence to believe, but is of super natural origin

What's the difference? Both are relgions

The Scientific Method, and Scientific Theory.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

The Scientific Method, and Scientific Theory.

What would you say the odds are that Roli doesn't even bother to follow the links - much less read and digest the material therein?

 

[Rolling_Stone]

The irony is staggering of some people who insist and depend on the facts for evidence to support their particular positions, yet live the greater portion of their lives on the premise of faith. It's blatant hypocricy in my view.

Knowledge seemingly appears over rated in the field of science and philosophy when much of everything including knowledge has it's basis on faith.

Faith in evolutionary process leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence enough to believe, but is of a natural origin

Faith in intelligent design / creationism / God, leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence to believe, but is of super natural origin

What's the difference? Both are relgions

I am convinced beyond any shadow of doubt that most people are terrified of ideas and evidence that undermine beliefs with which they identify. This fear is usually associated with religion, but it also prevails among those whose claim to reason is secular. Indeed, when the well of rational argument runs dry, accusations will fly. Critical thinking goes out the door and things like “intolerance” and “bigotry” will be employed in the same way “blasphemy” was used against those who questioned the established religious authorities centuries ago.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I am convinced beyond any shadow of doubt that most people are terrified of ideas and evidence that undermine beliefs with which they identify. This fear is usually associated with religion, but it also prevails among those whose claim to reason is secular. Indeed, when the well of rational argument runs dry, accusations will fly. Critical thinking goes out the door and things like “intolerance” and “bigotry” will be employed in the same way “blasphemy” was used against those who questioned the established religious authorities centuries ago.

As they used to say when I was in high school - "That's rich".

 

[painted wolf]

um... wow.

Look I know some religious people are upset that they can't play science... the rules are really hard. But honestly, just because you don't like the rules its no reason to pull the oh so adult: "you team is stupid" and try to drag the other side down to your level.

Science isn't a religion, no amount of whambulation will change it.

Some religious people can't rise to the scientific so they want to drag it down to their own 'faith' based level... it sad.

wa:do

 

[doppelganger]

I am convinced beyond any shadow of doubt that most people are terrified of ideas and evidence that undermine beliefs with which they identify.

Case in point . . . Rolling_Stone.

 

[rojse]

I am convinced beyond any shadow of doubt that most people are terrified of ideas and evidence that undermine beliefs with which they identify. This fear is usually associated with religion, but it also prevails among those whose claim to reason is secular. Indeed, when the well of rational argument runs dry, accusations will fly. Critical thinking goes out the door and things like “intolerance” and “bigotry” will be employed in the same way “blasphemy” was used against those who questioned the established religious authorities centuries ago.

I love how you make broad generalisations, and then on your next post, will accuse atheists of doing the exact same thing to theism, and complain as if they have committed a grave injustice against you that you would never even contemplate of doing.

Some of my favourite posters are theists constantly present interesting, well-thought-out ideas that astound me, whether they be about religion or one of many other subjects that are discussed on here. Many theists occasionally present an idea from a new perspective that makes me stop and consider what I think from a completely different point of view.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Many theists occasionally present an idea from a new perspective that makes me stop and consider what I think from a completely different point of view.

I'm guessing that there might be one or two that make you stop and consider "what in the heck is that supposed to mean"?

Am I right?

 

[gnomon]

The irony is staggering of some people who insist and depend on the facts for evidence to support their particular positions, yet live the greater portion of their lives on the premise of faith. It's blatant hypocricy in my view.

Knowledge seemingly appears over rated in the field of science and philosophy when much of everything including knowledge has it's basis on faith.

Faith in evolutionary process leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence enough to believe, but is of a natural origin

Faith in intelligent design / creationism / God, leads to the pursuit of truth, which ultimately establishes ample evidence to believe, but is of super natural origin

What's the difference? Both are relgions

Conditional acceptance of the validity of a proposition is not faith.

That I accept natural selection as a valid model describing the diversity of life has nothing to do with my decision as to what I'll be eating for breakfast as opposed to a religious faith proscribing the consumption of meat.

Do I believe that the theory of evolution is the best model of the natural world as opposed to other models scientific or not? Yes. Do I have faith in evolution? No.

I'll repeat what others have said. There is no need to equate science with religion. Recognizing the concept of scientism or that certain human traits are exhibited by practitioners of science, religion or both does not equate the meaning of science and religion.

 

[roli]

What would you say the odds are that Roli doesn't even bother to follow the links - much less read and digest the material therein?

VoR, don't spread such unsubstantiated claims,I do read them , I actually read alot of them,it's just that when one has a revelation of the presence of God, through faith and fact and his truth permiates my very being , which by the way is unseen and unscientific, it's hard to really see and trust in the natural scientific method as you do.


That does'nt mean I am so heavenly mined, that I am no earthly good, it's just that I have an insight into things of the supernatural unseen world, that I must confess, you apparently can't comprehend.
That's not to say I am any better then you ,it's just that the truth I see concerning this world and that of the next is clear and as real as the scientific is to you.

Not to say I don't comprehend the scientific approach either!

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Roli -

Surely you can understand why I, or any of the others on this board, who have not had such a revelation, continue to rely on science as our basis for knowledge.

If you understand our reluctance to accept your experience of God, then you can also understand why mankind (in general) must limit it's method of gaining knowledge to a method that can be shared by all, and is capable of being reproduced on command.

You do understand that, don't you?

 

[LuisDantas]

Roli, one can't help but wonder how any amount of religious revelation or insight may change such matter-of-factly matters as those that science researches.

I doubt your convictions make you doubt the reality of electricity or gravity. Or deny that there are man-created fabrics. Why is it so different with biological matters?

 

[Autodidact]

VoR, don't spread such unsubstantiated claims,I do read them , I actually read alot of them,it's just that when one has a revelation of the presence of God, through faith and fact and his truth permiates my very being , which by the way is unseen and unscientific, it's hard to really see and trust in the natural scientific method as you do.

(emphasis added)

That does'nt mean I am so heavenly mined, that I am no earthly good, it's just that I have an insight into things of the supernatural unseen world, that I must confess, you apparently can't comprehend.

The fact that you think you see something we don't doesn't necessarily mean that we can't comprehend what you think you see. There's another alternative explanation.

That's not to say I am any better then you ,it's just that the truth I see concerning this world and that of the next is clear and as real as the scientific is to you.

How do you know it's true?

Not to say I don't comprehend the scientific approach either!

Then why do you want religion taught as science?

 

[roli]

I am convinced beyond any shadow of doubt that most people are terrified of ideas and evidence that undermine beliefs with which they identify. This fear is usually associated with religion, but it also prevails among those whose claim to reason is secular. Indeed, when the well of rational argument runs dry, accusations will fly. Critical thinking goes out the door and things like “intolerance” and “bigotry” will be employed in the same way “blasphemy” was used against those who questioned the established religious authorities centuries ago.

I for one am not terrified or threatened of such notions. Most chirstians who have a an authentic relationship with Christ would feel the same way.
To think that science could possibly even come close to underming those beliefs which are substantiated by so much more than what you have towards science, being revelation,experience and relationship, is delusional to say the least, not to mention ignorant on your part.
But of course you base all you know on science,but that is certainly not all there is to know, try a leap of faith in Christ ,you may be surprised in what realities it reveals.

 

[darkendless]

To think that science could possibly even come close to underming those beliefs which are substantiated by so much more than what you have towards science, being revelation,experience and relationship, is delusional to say the least, not to mention ignorant on your part.

This is just wow..... honestly did you drink the holy water again? DId they forget to tell you its metholated spirits?

1) if your God is present why can only you feel him. Why can't i see God and why can't you prove his existance to me. (please don't use scripture i don't want to see it)

2) To think that the bible is true, well you sir really need to go to school and learn something Start with science for 12 year olds

3) God does not teach us how the earth came to be, only that he made it. Thats heresy of the highest order.

4) Tell me sir citing specific examples, why science is not substantial.

5) the use of "belief" demonstrates your lack of understanding to what constitues evidence and since given the context of your post, you sir, are being silly.

6) Science can explain our origins from a puddle of mud and slime to this present day. All your God does is say "i did this and i did that," elitest much?

You are being delusional. Open your eyes and read a science text book. Your blatent ignorance towards the benfits of science in favour of fairy tales is dangerous. If i was to pray, it would be a prayer on your behalf to save your soul from blissful ignorance.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I for one am not terrified or threatened of such notions. Most chirstians who have a an authentic relationship with Christ would feel the same way.
To think that science could possibly even come close to underming those beliefs which are substantiated by so much more than what you have towards science, being revelation,experience and relationship, is delusional to say the least, not to mention ignorant on your part.
But of course you base all you know on science,but that is certainly not all there is to know, try a leap of faith in Christ ,you may be surprised in what realities it reveals.

You know, it's hard to watch someone self implode, and not marvel at how ugly it can get.

 

[roli]

Roli -

Surely you can understand why I, or any of the others on this board, who have not had such a revelation, continue to rely on science as our basis for knowledge.

Science may be a basis for truth, but all truth may not be so wrapped up and packaged alone in your perspective of scientific knowledge
I can understand but you seem to be opened minded and eager to know truth,could it be an insult to the intellect and sabotage of all one has so heavily relied on all one's life.

If you understand our reluctance to accept your experience of God, then you can also understand why mankind (in general) must limit it's method of gaining knowledge to a method that can be shared by all, and is capable of being reproduced on command.

Faith and personal encounter with God also has the potential to be a commonly shared expereince , that is,to those who freely will to venture in such a direction.
There remains the question, who dares to venture in such a direction...... closed mindedness would tend to be the hindrance.

You do understand that, don't you?

I do ,do you

 

[roli]

You know, it's hard to watch someone self implode, and not marvel at how they ugly it can get.

My sediments as well, but of course you laugh and scoff, but par for the course.
could it be possible, even remotely,that day is yet to come for you as well.

 

[Father Heathen]

VoR, don't spread such unsubstantiated claims,I do read them , I actually read alot of them,it's just that when one has a revelation of the presence of God, through faith and fact and his truth permiates my very being , which by the way is unseen and unscientific, it's hard to really see and trust in the natural scientific method as you do.


That does'nt mean I am so heavenly mined, that I am no earthly good, it's just that I have an insight into things of the supernatural unseen world, that I must confess, you apparently can't comprehend.
That's not to say I am any better then you ,it's just that the truth I see concerning this world and that of the next is clear and as real as the scientific is to you.

Not to say I don't comprehend the scientific approach either!

So we should totally ignore the insurmountable mountain of facts, evidence, and data along with the logical conclusion that one would arrive to and simply trust the mystical insight of some random guy on the internet?

 

[roli]

?

1) if your God is present why can only you feel him. Why can't i see God and why can't you prove his existance to me. (please don't use scripture i don't want to see it)

By the context of your response, it is apparently clear to see why you can't find God.
Proof of His existence is under your nose, not up to me to prove him to your closed mind.

2) To think that the bible is true, well you sir really need to go to school and learn something Start with science for 12 year olds

Do you read any books of antiquity, how much do you rely on them ,well my friend the bible has more volitity,history ,science, geography, and accuracy, not to mention it has been the top selling ,most printed, most circulated and life altering book of all time... and your opinion means what?

3) God does not teach us how the earth came to be, only that he made it. Thats heresy of the highest order.

And obviously you have'nt read the bible or researched the scientific truths that are in it.

4) Tell me sir citing specific examples, why science is not substantial.

It may be totally substantial for you in supporting your cause ,buit it certainly is not the be all end all of life. It almost sounds as if you endorse this as one may their religion..... uhm!!!!!!!!

5) the use of "belief" demonstrates your lack of understanding to what constitues evidence and since given the context of your post, you sir, are an idiot.

Those who live in glasss houses should'nt cast stones.
Your house may seem to be built on a sure foundation but the day will reveal it is sinking sand

6) Science can explain our origins from a puddle of mud and slime to this present day. All your God does is say "i did this and i did that," elitest much?

Science does no such thing, please don';t include me in the cess pool in which you claim to come from.

You are being delusional. Open your eyes and read a science text book. Your blatent ignorance towards the benfits of science in favour of fairy tales is dangerous. If i was to pray, it would be a prayer on your behalf to save your soul from blissful ignorance.

Call it what you will, I guess you'll never know the reality in which I profess.
May it be your ignorance that is openly confessed here!!!!