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Evolutionists, where, geographically, did man evolve?

Unification

Well-Known Member

It's most logical since DNA would be able to survive all of the crazy effects of space long term and scientists aren't even sure how RNA could have created life on Earth from the time they say life happened, due to the environment and nature of Earth at the time... Would have destroyed RNA.

DNA could have existed long before life itself - environment - 24 August 2012 - New Scientist

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141126144150.htm

NASA Scientists Cook Up Building Blocks of Life in Lab

Proteins cannot be made without nucleic acids and
nucleic acids cannot be made without proteins so I guess it doesn't really matter.

DNA makes RNA and RNA makes proteins. Guess it is more logical since DNA can handle the rigors and can be repaired whereas RNA likely couldn't and cannot be repaired. DNA can store information long term and RNA couldn't.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
To the OP:

The way I understand it, is the earlier homo - Homo erectus - originated from Africa, and groups of them migrated out to Asia and Europe.

The Homo sapiens didn't come from the Homo erectus that were then in Asia and Europe. No, the earliest Homo sapiens had evolved from those Homo erectus still living in Africa.

There are no earlier Homo sapiens remains in Asia and Europe than it hose found in Africa, which would mean that Homo sapiens did evolve separately in Asia and Europe, so Homo sapiens also came out of Africa.

That's what make sense to me.

Does that make sense to you, Disciple?

As to the modern human - Homo sapiens sapiens -
  1. ...did they also came out of Africa too?
  2. ...or were the modern human (H.s.s.) had evolved from (earlier) Homo sapiens then living in Africa, Europe and Asia, independently?
Note that the modern human is a subspecies of the Homo sapiens, hence-wise there is an extra "sapiens" attached to end of the "Homo sapiens".

I don't know the answers to the above questions about thre modern human (Homo sapiens sapiens). so I am looking forward to learning this myself.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
The crap is to believe that we are a product made by the unconscious stone.
Another straw man. :rolleyes:

You are forgetting that in the Qur'an, Allah created a fully adult human (Adam) from clay. Is believing that sort of superstition be considered "crap"?

It is utterly simplistic and primitive mythological belief that man was made out of clay.

And beside that, the Qur'an is a rip-off from ancient Sumerian and Akkadian myths, except that there were 2 deities to as many 4 deities - depending on which versions you are reading - instead of one God.

So there is nothing unique about Islam or the Qur'an, but Muslims like the Sumerians believed in the same primitive and ignorant superstition.

Where did any scientist believe or science says that humans directly came from rocks?

Like I've said, you are just spreading straw man.
 
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Looncall

Well-Known Member
Life came from the cosmos.
Life came from Jesus Christ (DNA/crystal)
Life came from the atmosphere in forms of Christ (CRYST-AL)

God created life through God's son, Christ (CRYST-AL). Life came from a creation of God's. Life is naturally super.

The atom (Adam) male(positive) and female(negative) energies. Atoms were fruitful and multiplied. God blessed them.

Man: DNA
Woman: RNA

A ribosome was removed from DNA.

RNA is DNA helpmate and complimentary partner.

RNA is the mother of all living. DNA is the father of all living.

Gold's atomic number of 79 makes it one of the higher atomic number elements that occur naturally in the universe. It is thought to have been produced in supernova nucleosynthesis and to have been present in the dust from which the Solar System formed. Because the Earth was molten when it was just formed, almost all of the gold present in the early Earth probably sank into the planetary core. Therefore most of the gold that is present today in the Earth's crust and mantle is thought to have been delivered to Earth later, by asteroid impacts during the late heavy bombardment, about 4 billion years ago.

Supernova nucleosynthesis is a theory of the production of many different chemical elements in supernova explosions, first advanced by Fred Hoyle in 1954. The nucleosynthesis, or fusion of lighter elements into heavier ones, occurs during explosive oxygen burning and silicon burning. Those fusion reactions create the elements silicon, sulfur, chlorine, argon, sodium, potassium, calcium, scandium, titanium and iron peak elements: vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, and nickel. These are called "primary elements", in that they can be fused from pure hydrogen and helium in massive stars. As a result of their ejection from supernovae, their abundances increase within the interstellar medium.

Frankincense and myrrh: resin and gum.

Photosynthesis.

Resin, in the most specific meaning of the term, is a hydrocarbon secretion of many plants.

The genus of the myrrhs, Commiphora, is the most species-rich genus of flowering plants in the frankincense and myrrh family, Burseraceae.

The Burseraceae members are characterized by the non-allergenic resin they produce in virtually all plant tissue. The Burseraceae is also known as the Torchwood family, the frankincense and myrrh family, or simply the incense tree family.

Cyanobacteria /saɪˌænoʊbækˈtɪəriə/, also known as Cyanophyta, is a phylum of bacteria that obtain their energy through photosynthesis.

Gold: nucleosynthesis.

Myrrh and frankincense: photosynthesis.

Three gifts of Jesus Christ: LIFE.

A cloud is a visible mass of liquid droplets or frozen CRYSTALS made of water or various chemicals suspended in the atmosphere above the surface of a planetary body, where Jesus Christ commonly is riding on and comes from, DNA in molecular energy/light/subatomic particle form.

Christ-Kruos-Krustallos-CRYST-AL.

The book of Genesis/Genetics/Genes says where life came from:

Gold, bdellium and onyx stone.

Bdellium /ˈdɛliəm/ (Hebrew bedolach), also bdellion, is a semi-transparent oleo-gum resin extracted from Commiphora.

Onyx: Silicon-dioxide.

Around those four rives around Africa and Ethiopia and Assyria and such.

In a well-watered area rich in water, energy/light and elements. (Eden)

Wow! You win the specious nonsense competition! The only other thing I've seen that came close is postmodernist garbage.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Wow! You win the specious nonsense competition! The only other thing I've seen that came close is postmodernist garbage.

What don't you like about consciousness setting the big chill in motion, crystallization, nucleosynthesis, gold, photosynthesis, gum, silicon dioxide, first life in the oceans of Africa, ribosome removal of DNA, and the first atom eventually becoming a living being through evolution?
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
What don't you like about consciousness setting the big chill in motion, crystallization, nucleosynthesis, gold, photosynthesis, gum, silicon dioxide, first life in the oceans of Africa, ribosome removal of DNA, and the first atom eventually becoming a living being through evolution?
All these are just the working of the fact that the universe has properties. No fancy speculative consciousness is needed.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
All these are just the working of the fact that the universe has properties. No fancy speculative consciousness is needed.

Incorrect, properties are observed and require an observer.

It's more needed for this world than you're aware of.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Yeah, how could we ever know that?

1996:

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2012:

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2012 definitely looks feminine. I think Monty Python was right!
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I do believe we are the product of nature. But at the most foundational levels, I do not know what nature is the product of. Human inquiry can get a lot of data, but it's never going to explain everything. Because we can sit here and ask an infinite number of questions, we'd spend infinity answering all of them; and we would still never be able to see what we can't possibly ever see, no matter how good technology is or how rigorous are thoughts are.
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Curious George

Veteran Member
right, so an author writing code for a specific functional purpose, is less magic than it spontaneously self creating for no particular reason.
Didn't we have a thread on self writing software? Didn't someone post an example of software that evolved with very few initial parameters?

I would liken this to life. We can prove that it is possible for the initial parameters to naturally occur, we can prove it is possible for the complexity to occur given certain initial parameters. Why is it so hard for some to connect the dots? It is more probable that this natural occurrence happened in some form than some hidden designer individually created and designed each individual thing that we see.

Thus, religion has been successfully relegated to hypothesizing that God either set the initial conditions or started the ball moving in the first place.

God did not make you. You are the product of sexual reproduction. This is known. For a while people thought, "yes, but God made sexual reproduction" now we know better. So, for a while, people will think "yes, but God designed evolution" and then "God designed the inception of our universe" and then "God designed the conditions that must have been present for the inception of our universe." The writing has been on the wall for some time now.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Life came from the cosmos.
Life came from Jesus Christ (DNA/crystal)
Life came from the atmosphere in forms of Christ (CRYST-AL)

God created life through God's son, Christ (CRYST-AL). Life came from a creation of God's. Life is naturally super.

The atom (Adam) male(positive) and female(negative) energies.

It would have been cooler if u turned Eve into a pun too. Perhaps "negatEVE."

But atoms can be positive or negative.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Incorrect, properties are observed and require an observer.

It's more needed for this world than you're aware of.
Nonsense. For example, a pebble would have the same mass whether or not anyone put in on a balance.

Are you claiming that solipsism is accurate?
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Nonsense. For example, a pebble would have the same mass whether or not anyone put in on a balance.

Are you claiming that solipsism is accurate?

Absolutely, a pebble would have the same mass whether there was anyone to place it on a balance.

There, however would be no knowledge or experience or existence of the words "mass" or "pebble" if there weren't a conscious, aware observer to name and observe, so one could never know such a thing.

No, I am not.
 
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