Evolutionists, where, geographically, did man evolve?

[Monk Of Reason]

Has to do with randomness and chances.

Somewhat true yes. But it is randomness and chances within the confines of reality and laws.

 

[McBell]

Did this software magically write itself or was it written on purpose? which is more plausible?

For reals?
You do not know the difference between software and life?

 

[McBell]

point being; between chance and design, which one is extraordinary magic and which is the norm depends entirely on the frame of reference right?- which we just don't have for how universes and life 'usually' appear-
there's no default answer to this, have to look at the individual merits of each.

Yet you dont.
You are to busy trying to make sure your all powerful god has a hidy hole.

 

[McBell]

Without using logic you may think of God as being magic, not seeing or tracing God doesn't mean he isn't existing.

You must have some weird idea of what "logic" is.

 

[McBell]

Who is much clever, you or the inanimate nature ?

Inanimate nature.
I will even go so far as to say that inanimate nature is also much more clever than Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, and YHWH combined.

 

[FearGod]

Please explain this logic. An argument from incredulity is not logic.

If God doesn't use magic, what mechanism does He use? If he leaves thing to happen through the ordinary laws of chemistry and physics already in place, then He is superfluous and useless. If He actively intervenes in the happenings on Earth, then he does so by magic.
Sure, why not?

And where did laws come from at first place ?

Lava launched into the air can assume all kinds of shapes as it cools into glass.

A perfect cup of glass can be one, do you have an evidence that such things had happened ?

 

[FearGod]

Well, if God existed, I don't see how there would be inanimate nature, unless God accidentally makes things that he isn't aware of happening before hand. Nature would be infused with God's intention. It may be inanimate but it is of and acts because of the direction of an animate being.

But, I don't get existed. And I also don't think nature has any ability of thinking, nor the intentions to be anything in particular, so I don't cleverness is an attribute one could apply to nature.

The inanimate nature can't be clever, but do you think our brains were designed by a clever process or were just a product of the inanimate nature ?

I'd assume the chances of that happening to be slim. There's very few instances where geometric shapes are that simple in nature.

Through billions of years the nature wasn't able to produce a single perfect cup of glass but it produced the intelligent humans.

 

[FearGod]

No matter what sort of seed I could think of, rolling it up in clay, and over and over until it hardens into bone would never work, if I, or you, or any other being on Earth did it. But if God does it, it works. Why is it that when God does it, it makes bone, but when you or I do it, it doesn't make bone?

Nature made life whereas we can't, why the nature can and we can't ?

 

[dust1n]

The inanimate nature can't be clever, but do you think our brains were designed by a clever process or were just a product of the inanimate nature ?

A product of inanimate nature.

Through billions of years the nature wasn't able to produce a single perfect cup of glass but it produced the intelligent humans.

Yup. The only place I'd expect to see symmetry in nature would be the living animals, which actively strive to maintain structure in an environment that is constantly testing that structure to its limits. Living beings live be isolating DNA from the entropy from nature.

 

[dust1n]

Nature made life whereas we can't, why the nature can and we can't ?

Because nature is far more complicated than what is intuitive to our minds.

By this is avoiding the question.

If I do what God did to make bone, by placing seed in clay and rolling it up over and over, I'd never make bone. Neither would any human. But God did make bone. So what did God do other than what the Qur'an says he did, that isn't magic, to make the process work, when I can't make it work?

 

[Valjean]

And where did laws come from at first place ?

Who knows? They just are. 2+2=4, E=MC^2.
Positing a magical, conscious, invisible engineer is just wild speculation. Just because you're gobsmacked by the elegance of the world these laws produced doesn't make an omnipotent magical being a reasonable fallback 'explanation'. (Where did this Cod come from, anyway?)

A perfect cup of glass can be one, do you have an evidence that such things had happened ?

There is no mechanism selecting for a "perfect glass." On the other hand, there are perfectly understandable and demonstrable mechanisms to account for the much more complex forms we see in Nature.

You continue to view the sciences: biology, chemistry, &c as a crap shoot; as proposing random chance as an explanation.
Stop that.

 

[FearGod]

Because nature is far more complicated than what is intuitive to our minds.

By this is avoiding the question.

If I do what God did to make bone, by placing seed in clay and rolling it up over and over, I'd never make bone. Neither would any human. But God did make bone. So what did God do other than what the Qur'an says he did, that isn't magic, to make the process work, when I can't make it work?

Because your question doesn't make any sense, it's like asking if i put flour with water and rolling it up over and over again then why it doesn't turn to bread.

 

[Parsimony]

Through billions of years the nature wasn't able to produce a single perfect cup of glass but it produced the intelligent humans.

Different processes are required for creating each of those things. It's like arguing that since a computer-manufacturing plant can't make cups of glass then it can't make computers either. Unlike a cup of glass, living things have genes which are subject to mutation and selection and which can be passed on by reproduction. That is what allows them to improve over the generations. A cup of glass has none of those properties.

 

[Willamena]

Who knows? They just are.

That's magic.

 

[FearGod]

Different processes are required for creating each of those things. It's like arguing that since a computer-manufacturing plant can't make cups of glass then it can't make computers either. Unlike a cup of glass, living things have genes which are subject to mutation and selection and which can be passed on by reproduction. That is what allows them to improve over the generations. A cup of glass has none of those properties.

Computer manufactures can't make a cup of glass because they weren't designed to do so, but if you're saying that the nature and the DNA were designed to mutate and to improve the living organism but not the non living matters then that would make sense.

 

[dust1n]

Because your question doesn't make any sense, it's like asking if i put flour with water and rolling it up over and over again then why it doesn't turn to bread.

Great point!

That's why this makes no sense:

"“Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]"

Unless magic is involved.

 

[Valjean]

That's magic.

Laws = relationships and values.
Magic = action.

 

[Unification]

Life came from the cosmos.
Life came from Jesus Christ (DNA/crystal)
Life came from the atmosphere in forms of Christ (CRYST-AL)

God created life through God's son, Christ (CRYST-AL). Life came from a creation of God's. Life is naturally super.

The atom (Adam) male(positive) and female(negative) energies. Atoms were fruitful and multiplied. God blessed them.

Man: DNA
Woman: RNA

A ribosome was removed from DNA.

RNA is DNA helpmate and complimentary partner.

RNA is the mother of all living. DNA is the father of all living.

Gold's atomic number of 79 makes it one of the higher atomic number elements that occur naturally in the universe. It is thought to have been produced in supernova nucleosynthesis and to have been present in the dust from which the Solar System formed. Because the Earth was molten when it was just formed, almost all of the gold present in the early Earth probably sank into the planetary core. Therefore most of the gold that is present today in the Earth's crust and mantle is thought to have been delivered to Earth later, by asteroid impacts during the late heavy bombardment, about 4 billion years ago.

Supernova nucleosynthesis is a theory of the production of many different chemical elements in supernova explosions, first advanced by Fred Hoyle in 1954. The nucleosynthesis, or fusion of lighter elements into heavier ones, occurs during explosive oxygen burning and silicon burning. Those fusion reactions create the elements silicon, sulfur, chlorine, argon, sodium, potassium, calcium, scandium, titanium and iron peak elements: vanadium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, and nickel. These are called "primary elements", in that they can be fused from pure hydrogen and helium in massive stars. As a result of their ejection from supernovae, their abundances increase within the interstellar medium.

Frankincense and myrrh: resin and gum.

Photosynthesis.

Resin, in the most specific meaning of the term, is a hydrocarbon secretion of many plants.

The genus of the myrrhs, Commiphora, is the most species-rich genus of flowering plants in the frankincense and myrrh family, Burseraceae.

The Burseraceae members are characterized by the non-allergenic resin they produce in virtually all plant tissue. The Burseraceae is also known as the Torchwood family, the frankincense and myrrh family, or simply the incense tree family.

Cyanobacteria /saɪˌænoʊbækˈtɪəriə/, also known as Cyanophyta, is a phylum of bacteria that obtain their energy through photosynthesis.

Gold: nucleosynthesis.

Myrrh and frankincense: photosynthesis.

Three gifts of Jesus Christ: LIFE.

A cloud is a visible mass of liquid droplets or frozen CRYSTALS made of water or various chemicals suspended in the atmosphere above the surface of a planetary body, where Jesus Christ commonly is riding on and comes from, DNA in molecular energy/light/subatomic particle form.

Christ-Kruos-Krustallos-CRYST-AL.

The book of Genesis/Genetics/Genes says where life came from:

Gold, bdellium and onyx stone.

Bdellium /ˈdɛliəm/ (Hebrew bedolach), also bdellion, is a semi-transparent oleo-gum resin extracted from Commiphora.

Onyx: Silicon-dioxide.

Around those four rives around Africa and Ethiopia and Assyria and such.

In a well-watered area rich in water, energy/light and elements. (Eden)

 

[jonathan180iq]

RNA preceded DNA...

 

[Unification]

RNA preceded DNA...

DNA came from the cosmos.