Evolutionists, where, geographically, did man evolve?

[dust1n]

But not magician.

If God is all powerful, what would stop him from doing magic if he chose to do it?

 

[FearGod]

If you are asking why glass is transparent, you'd have to ask a chemist or someone who manufactures glass, cause I have no idea. I was trying to find the most clearly worded answer and came up with this:


Morton Tavel, a professor of physics at Vassar College, responds:

"The propagation of light (or any other form of electromagnetic radiation) through a solid is a complex process that involves not just the passage of the incident light but also reradiation of that light by the electronic structure of the solid. The convoluted combination of reflection and transmission explains why light moves more slowly through solids than through the air or through a vacuum.

"Simply stated, a solid material will appear transparent if there are no processes that compete with transmission, either by absorbing the light or by scattering it in other directions. In pure silicon, there is a very strong absorptive process at work: the incident visible light is absorbed by electrons that then move from one electron energy state to another (an occurrence technically known as a band-to-band transition). Glass, being silicon dioxide--not pure silicon--does not have this band structure, so it cannot absorb light as pure silicon does. Sand, on the other hand, is also silicon dioxide, but it is so filled with impurities that light simply scatters outward incoherently and does not pass through to a noticeable extent.

"The electronic structure of solids also explains why metals are shiny. Pure metals reflect light but do not transmit it, because they are filled with free electrons. These electrons reradiate the light in the direction opposite from which it arrived (reflection), but they interfere with the light that would proceed in the forward direction, preventing transmission."

Susan Murphree Thomas is a researcher in inorganic chemistry at the Georgia Institute of Technology and an interim faculty member at Kennesaw State University. She adds some details about the role of physical structure:

"A material appears transparent when it does not strongly absorb or diffract light. As far as the absorbance of a solid goes, you pretty much have to take what Nature gives you. Diffraction, however, can be influenced by how the material is prepared.

"A material that appears homogeneous to the human eye is really made up of minute crystals--regions in which the atoms or molecules follow a regular order. The boundaries between these regions are called grain boundaries. If the distance between boundaries is smaller than the shortest wavelength of visible light (in other words, if the refractive index of the material is uniform with respect to the light passing through it), then the material will appear transparent. Each boundary tends to diffuse the light that passes through; if the regions are small enough, however, the light waves essentially 'jump' right over them.

"Glass (which consists of silicon dioxide along with a few impurities) is not really a solid; it can be more accurately thought of as a supercooled liquid. It has no internal grain boundaries, and hence it looks transparent. Solid silicon dioxide (sand), in contrast, has obvious grain boundaries, so it is not transparent.

"It is possible to create an artificially uniform material. One way to do this is to press a material under force, as is done all the time with potassium bromide, a compound used for infrared spectroscopy in laboratories. The other way to achieve uniformity is to create lots of nucleation sites (the locations where crystals begin to form) in a melted material and then allow it to cool. Because many little crystals begin to form all at once, none of them can grow very large before they run into one another.

What determines whether asubstance is transparent? For instance, why is silicon transparent whenit is glass but not when it is sand or a computer chip? - Scientific American

So by the process the sand which was nontransparent became transparent, it doesn't looks sand anymore, that's my point.

 

[FearGod]

If God is all powerful, what would stop him from doing magic if he chose to do it?

Powerful doesn't mean magician, as simple as that.

 

[dust1n]

Powerful doesn't mean magician, as simple as that.

What does all-powerful mean?

So by the process the sand which was nontransparent became transparent, it doesn't looks sand anymore, that's my point.

And this happens naturally without a creator all the time. If it doesn't take a creator to turn sand into glass, why would I expect it to require a creator to turn carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and phosphorous into DNA?

 

[FearGod]

What does all-powerful mean?

Powerful means the ability to do things, but that doesn't mean using magic.

And this happens naturally without a creator all the time. If it doesn't take a creator to turn sand into glass, why would I expect it to require a creator to turn carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and phosphorous into DNA?

Glass is made by humans and not by nature.

 

[dust1n]

Powerful means the ability to do things, but that doesn't mean using magic.

Powerful means the ability to do things. We agree here. Wouldn't all-powerful mean the ability to do all things, without exception?

"Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things." [35.1]

Glass is made by humans and not by nature.

"In nature, glasses are formed when sand and/or rocks, often high in silica, are heated to high temperatures and then cooled rapidly. The Glass in Nature display shows specimens of glass made in nature. Obsidian or volcanic glass, for example, is molten rock that has quickly cooled, becoming rock in a glassy state. Tektites and Libyan Desert Glass are other forms of glassy rock created by the intense heat and force of meteoritic impacts on the earth millions of years ago. Fulgurites, which are made when lightning strikes sand, are brittle tubes of melted sand. Some marine creatures, such as microscopic algae and sea sponges, have siliceous (silica) skeletons, which are also a form of natural glass."

Glass in Nature | Corning Museum of Glass


All you do to turn sand into glass is heat up to a certain temperature, which is why when lightning hits the beach sand it will sometimes make these cool things:

http://www.gemstonesadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulgurite-branch.jpg

 

[Valjean]

What's the point of a non-magic God? Isn't intentional alteration of the laws of physics what a God's all about?
Without magic things would have to happen through the natural mechanisms of chemistry and physics, making God pointless.

 

[Parsimony]

And don't you know that the formation of the solar system were a cloud of dust and gas.

Yes, which is not the same thing as an "inanimate stone" (especially not the end-product).

 

[McBell]

Yeah, like any information coming from a person who uses the word "Evolutionist" is gonna be worthwhile.

I am still waiting for information to come from a person who uses the term....

All I have seen are logical fallacies, lies, and wishful thinking.

 

[McBell]

How you can judge the deeds of God as to be immoral ?

The exact same way I do for people, cats, dogs, etc...

If God chose to eradicate humans that he created, then it's up to him, how that is immoral, we are only a product created by God.

I do not give god (any of them) a free pass for any reason.

 

[McBell]

The crap is to believe that we are a product made by the unconscious stone.

Still clinging to that dead horse of a strawman?

 

[FearGod]

What's the point of a non-magic God? Isn't intentional alteration of the laws of physics what a God's all about?
Without magic things would have to happen through the natural mechanisms of chemistry and physics, making God pointless.

And how you define life in accordance to your understanding of the natural mechanism of chemistry and physics.

 

[FearGod]

Powerful means the ability to do things. We agree here. Wouldn't all-powerful mean the ability to do all things, without exception?

"Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things." [35.1]

Where is the magic ? the ability to do anything doesn't mean doing it by magic

"In nature, glasses are formed when sand and/or rocks, often high in silica, are heated to high temperatures and then cooled rapidly. The Glass in Nature display shows specimens of glass made in nature. Obsidian or volcanic glass, for example, is molten rock that has quickly cooled, becoming rock in a glassy state. Tektites and Libyan Desert Glass are other forms of glassy rock created by the intense heat and force of meteoritic impacts on the earth millions of years ago. Fulgurites, which are made when lightning strikes sand, are brittle tubes of melted sand. Some marine creatures, such as microscopic algae and sea sponges, have siliceous (silica) skeletons, which are also a form of natural glass."

Glass in Nature | Corning Museum of Glass


All you do to turn sand into glass is heat up to a certain temperature, which is why when lightning hits the beach sand it will sometimes make these cool things:

http://www.gemstonesadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/Fulgurite-branch.jpg

That isn't the designed glass that we make, it's kind of stupid glasses that nature can produce but yes humans are much simpler than making a cup of glass.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, which is not the same thing as an "inanimate stone" (especially not the end-product).

So where did life come from ?
The inanimate dust or the inanimate gases or a combination of both.

 

[Bunyip]

So where did life come from ?
The inanimate dust or the inanimate gases or a combination of both.

A combination of both.

 

[Parsimony]

So where did life come from ?
The inanimate dust or the inanimate gases or a combination of both.

The substances from which life came from could be traced back to those clouds, which could then be traced back to a star that predated the Sun, which would ultimately have its origins in the Big Bang.

 

[FearGod]

The substances from which life came from could be traced back to those clouds, which could then be traced back to a star that predated the Sun, which would ultimately have its origins in the Big Bang.

No life can exist in the extremely hot universe during the Planck Epoch, so from the start our universe is dead and has no life.
How life born from the dead ?

 

[jonathan180iq]

The Genographic Project by National Geographic - Human Migration, Population Genetics

I'm a part of this, and I recommend it to anyone at all interested in this stuff, both for scientific and genealogical reasons.

Homo Sapiens came out of Africa. The only real debate is whether or not it was Central of Southern Africa.
Once we developed into our modern selves, we spread quite quickly.

So what's the big underlying question with the thread?

 

[Valjean]

And how you define life in accordance to your understanding of the natural mechanism of chemistry and physics.

How we define life is controversial. Lists of essential features keep getting redefined. Structures/organisms with certain lifelike features, but without the full compliment keep getting discovered. Quarter life, half life -- where do you drew the line?
But the fact is, we do have aardvarks and oak trees, which no-one disputes, and few dispute the fact that Earth was once without life. So the only question is: did life come about through natural, chemical means, or through magical intervention?
Which is more plausible?

Where is the magic ? the ability to do anything doesn't mean doing it by magic

If it involves altering the ordinary laws of physics and chemistry, it's magic. If you're arguing "Goddidit," you're arguing magic.

 

[jonathan180iq]

If it involves altering the ordinary laws of physics and chemistry, it's magic. If you're arguing "Goddidit," you're arguing magic.

I would also point out that if you're arguing "Godidit" simply because you think it's so amazing that natural causes could never have produced such a thing, then you simply haven't studied it enough.