Vadergirl123
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I thought the Torah had Genesis in it? And honestly I don't know too many jews. There's one jewish couple who are good friends with my parents, but they're jewish christians.
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Yes, the Torah has Genesis in it. But Genesis has neither origonal sin or the divinity of Jesus in it.
As for what Judaism teaches, it's only a google search away. Coming to this site to talk about your religion is fine, but learning about other religions at the same time is even better. There is a wealth of knowledge here.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
I was raised Conservative Baptist, accepted Jesus Christ at age 12 and was baptized soon thereafter. Later in life I married my wife in a Southern Baptist church that I soon joined and became an active member in. Eventually my wife and I took over running the Youth Group and I was asked to become a Deacon.
As a Youth Group leader and Deacon, I delved even further into studying the Bible. The more I studied, the larger my doubts grew about the premise of Christianity. The more I learned, not only about the Bible, but the history of Christianity, natural history, and how the world naturally works, the more I realized that I could no longer follow what I now considered superstition and unreasonable dogma.
It was my reading of "Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Carl Sagan and "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine that eventually lead to my evolving beliefs in Deism.
Today, I continue my studies of science and religion, specifically religious anthropology, and am constantly amazed at the peace brought about by living in harmony with reality.
As a Youth Group leader and Deacon, I delved even further into studying the Bible. The more I studied, the larger my doubts grew about the premise of Christianity. The more I learned, not only about the Bible, but the history of Christianity, natural history, and how the world naturally works, the more I realized that I could no longer follow what I now considered superstition and unreasonable dogma.
It was my reading of "Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Carl Sagan and "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine that eventually lead to my evolving beliefs in Deism.
Today, I continue my studies of science and religion, specifically religious anthropology, and am constantly amazed at the peace brought about by living in harmony with reality.
Vadergirl123
Active Member
No Genesis doesn't really claim Jesus is God, but what about the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve? You don't believe in that story?
I agree. Other religions are quite fascinating, and I do some google research about them. However I haven't done a deep study of judaism yet. I've done mostly catholicism(since I have friends who are catholic and I'm trying to understand their religion better)
Try the principle of check fraud or credit card fraud. [saying you are someone whom you are not.]
The Greek jesus is NOTHING what the pre 325AD Yeshua was.
Yeshua was a Prophet/man like Moshe......................jesus was god
Yeshua was in the earth for 3days and 3nights.............jesus was in the earth for only 2days and 2 nights [according to Christianity ]
Yeshua will return as a Jew....................................jesus will not return.
Yeshua was sent by his Father...............................jesus was created by Constantine.
Yeshua says : keep Torah.....................................jesus says: forget Torah.
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Do I believe it to be literal and historically accurate account? No.
Do I believe it to be a rich and meaningful mythology? Yes.
Do I beleive it to be the foundation of a teaching that says everyone is born already sentenced to eternal damnation? Definitely not.
Sorry you were "forced" to, what do you believe that key is?
I'm sorry
I agree their are some denominations that don't teach what the Bible says. What branch of christianity are you specifically refering to?
I am refering to Christianity as one finds it today in the churches.
The key is :
Jon 1:17 The LORD prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Now try keeping the messiah of Christianity in the grave for 3 days AND three nights.
Please be aware that the Father defines how a day is put together in Genesis and the Father gives the exhample to us six times :
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.
Ps. you will find preashers trying to define a day in their fasion to justify their belief/jesus.
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I was raised in the Catholic church. Was baptized, received communion, went to confession, was confirmed, and honestly enjoyed the Sunday services. I liked the idea of community, all the varying charity services we involved ourselves in to help others, the sights, sounds, pageantry, compassion, and feelings of joy.
There were two nagging doubts in my mind, however, as I kneeled to pray at night before bed:
1) I was attracted to males, but I couldn't shake my attraction to females. I had no idea that bisexuality existed, but was taught that homosexuality is sick and an abomination. So I prayed, and begged, and cried, and trusted in God to heal me of my attractions. All was fine until a pretty woman would sit next to me in the pews on Sunday, and the roller coaster ride of electricity and self-loathing would start again.
2) I could never feel right with the idea of an anthropomorphic deity who demands a conditional relationship with his followers. Believe, or burn. I prayed and studied to come to terms with it as a truism, and in college became involved with Campus Crusade for Christ, and I continued to fret over that teaching. Believe, or burn. Eventually, I felt the entire Christian theology as it was taught to me demanded an abusive relationship where my understanding of God could be flawed, and if I understood incorrectly, I'm doomed to an eternity in Hell. It's like being tied in a chair, doused with gasoline, and set on fire because I didn't please dad enough.
I eventually chose to leave the Christian community and take a break from religion. I searched for a few years, even tried more progressive and universalist beliefs. After a yoga class in NYC, somebody suggested I look into Buddhism, which I had no idea what it was except I thought it was some fat guy whose belly you rub for good luck. I finally gave in, went to Barnes and Noble, looked in the Eastern religion section, saw a few books by Thich Nhat Hanh, bought one and took it home to read.
Right from the beginning, I was skeptical, but the teaching tugged at my heart. So I practiced. I meditated every day and practiced and studied. I stopped being angry. I forgave all those harmed me from the Christian community. I felt true loving kindness and an open heart.
I understand life and death differently now, and whenever I think of the Christian God, I'm usually just compelled to give him a hug.
It always seems like he needs one.
There were two nagging doubts in my mind, however, as I kneeled to pray at night before bed:
1) I was attracted to males, but I couldn't shake my attraction to females. I had no idea that bisexuality existed, but was taught that homosexuality is sick and an abomination. So I prayed, and begged, and cried, and trusted in God to heal me of my attractions. All was fine until a pretty woman would sit next to me in the pews on Sunday, and the roller coaster ride of electricity and self-loathing would start again.
2) I could never feel right with the idea of an anthropomorphic deity who demands a conditional relationship with his followers. Believe, or burn. I prayed and studied to come to terms with it as a truism, and in college became involved with Campus Crusade for Christ, and I continued to fret over that teaching. Believe, or burn. Eventually, I felt the entire Christian theology as it was taught to me demanded an abusive relationship where my understanding of God could be flawed, and if I understood incorrectly, I'm doomed to an eternity in Hell. It's like being tied in a chair, doused with gasoline, and set on fire because I didn't please dad enough.
I eventually chose to leave the Christian community and take a break from religion. I searched for a few years, even tried more progressive and universalist beliefs. After a yoga class in NYC, somebody suggested I look into Buddhism, which I had no idea what it was except I thought it was some fat guy whose belly you rub for good luck. I finally gave in, went to Barnes and Noble, looked in the Eastern religion section, saw a few books by Thich Nhat Hanh, bought one and took it home to read.
Right from the beginning, I was skeptical, but the teaching tugged at my heart. So I practiced. I meditated every day and practiced and studied. I stopped being angry. I forgave all those harmed me from the Christian community. I felt true loving kindness and an open heart.
I understand life and death differently now, and whenever I think of the Christian God, I'm usually just compelled to give him a hug.
It always seems like he needs one.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
It's kind of hard to decide to end a relationship with someone you no longer believe exists.
I left Christianity because it stopped making sense.
It also might be worth noting I "flunked" baptism...didn't even know it was possible.
Define 'relationship with Jesus'. For me personally it was that Christianity stopped making sense and I found more problems than solutions.
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
I was raised Christian, but as a teenager I became increasingly sceptical about what I was taught. I read the Bible a lot and found it inconsistent and the God in it violent and jealous. The New Testament didn't make any sense on logical standards either. I hung around as a semi-believer until I was old enough to move away from home and after that it didn't take me long to shed Christianity completely.
arthra
Baha'i
I was raised in a Baptist church and later in life found the Baha'i Faith. Being a Baha'i I still accept Jesus and believe in His promised return ... so I still feel I have a "relationship" with Jesus and have not decided I wanted the relationship to end.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Can you explain were God was inconsistent and violent ?
You read the Bible in a litteral way ?
And why the NT doesn't make any sense ? Can you give some verses who have no sense for you ?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Hi Vadergirl. :0)
I had made a side by side comparison with Christianity over what is actually going on and incompatibility issues arose. I just couldnt follow the religion no more, nor engauge in active worship.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
So, you believe in him ? Yeshua or Jesus it's the same person. You don't need to believe at the church's teachings/doctrine. Just the fact.
Because Jesus made miracles as great as Moses, why not believe he's a prophet/Messiah ?
waitasec
Veteran Member
i realized i was in a relationship with my higher self...
i thought i was praying but i was really meditating by being as truthful with myself as much as i possibly could.
i am just as fulfilled, maybe even more so, as i was when i was under the illusion of getting revelation from god through jesus, when i owned it all along...still do. i just need to dig deep. my perception has changed dramatically and i couldn't have achieved that until i realized, being open to new ideas is a good thing and not something to be afraid of, if you also consider the implications and dig deep.
i also realized that there is no way any book can convey what god is, as it ultimately limits god, if there is one.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Exactly!
What if I were to call Muhammad, Peter and tell you that Peter says something totally different to Mohammad;.... would you believe what I tell you, you should now teach your children what Peter said ? Whould you realy believe they were the same persons then ?
You just don't get it that the two people you are refering to are NOT the same , go back and see the contradictions I gave in a previous post and tell me if it is the same religion.
I believe in Yeshua, the Jewish Prophet which is TOTALLY different to jesus the Greek god.
Do yourself a favour and try and keep jesus in the grave for longer than two days and two nights according to the Christian faith :
Friday night to Saturday night .....day 1
Saturday night to Sundaynight.....day 2
The Catholic church and all of Christianity icluding Protestants believe he resurected on Sunday ......[The Lords day ]
That is why they defend Sunday as Sabbathday.
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Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
If a book clearly says one thing, why shoud I be supposed to twist it into meaning something else? That's one of the problems I got at some point while reading and discussing religion with people. The Old Testament is full of inner contradictions, one of the most interesting being how many passages give the sense that the writers believed there to be more than one god. The god described on the other hand has no problems killing children (Egypt) or even his own prophet when it comes to that. Moses is warned not to look at God, because he would die if he did. How hard is it for an omnipotent being to say hello to his followers without killing them? The list goes on and on.
One of the biggest problems I had was related to the various prophesies Jesus was said to fulfill. He is said to even have said things like "I have to do this, or the prophesy won't come true", giving the sense he was consciously manipulating the situation. I don't think he actually did, but the ones writing the Gospels bended the story sometimes. In many situations when I looked up what was supposed to be the prophesy the text was actually talking about something entirely else or just didn't fit the description otherwise. It's been a while since that, so I can't remember all passages by heart anymore.
The Gospels, especially Mathew and Luke, are also obsessed by demons. I never heard anyone actually talk about this (cherrypicking, naughty people!), but the demons were just everywhere. It wasn't enough to tip my belief at the time, but with all the rest it just became more and more silly to think the Bible would be divinely inspired.
For a while I looked into Judaism, but as I studied history and older mythologies I came to the conclusion there simply isn't a monotheistic god as described in the Bible. I still respect Judaism a lot more than Christianity in general, but it's just not my thing.
I was raised Roman Catholic.
Nope, based on what speaks to my heart and my soul, and feels right.