Executing homosexuals in accordance with Shari'a law

[Rick O'Shez]

The quran is very explicit about it, no one allowed to kill any person except if a murderer.

So why is it happening then? It must be fundamentalism rearing it's ugly head.

 

[FearGod]

So why is it happening then? It must be fundamentalism rearing it's ugly head.

Surprisingly the messenger foretold that such things will happen and those who died
will die for no reason, killing will be in mass and no one will understand what is killing for(harj)

Allah's Messenger (saas) said: "The Harj (will increase)." They asked, "What is the Harj?" He replied, "(It is) killing (murdering), (it is) murdering (killing)."(Bukhari)
The Hour will come when violence, bloodshed, and anarchy become common.(Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)
The world will not come to an end until a day would come to the people on which there will be general massacre and bloodshed.(Muslim)
http://www.islam.org.hk/hy/signsofthelastday/hadiths_of_the_prophets.html

 

[Demonslayer]

The quran is very explicit about it, no one allowed to kill any person except if a murderer.

Killing homosexuals is part of Sharia Law though. How it got into Sharia Law if it's not in the Quran, I don't know. But I don't see how that matters...in any Muslim country in which Sharia Law is in effect, murdering homosexuality is part of it.

 

[FearGod]

Killing homosexuals is part of Sharia Law though. How it got into Sharia Law if it's not in the Quran, I don't know. But I don't see how that matters...in any Muslim country in which Sharia Law is in effect, murdering homosexuality is part of it.

It's their laws and not the Islamic laws even hijab shouldn't be forced but a choice.

 

[Demonslayer]

It's their laws and not the Islamic laws even hijab shouldn't be forced but a choice.

So what are you saying, Sharia Law is not Islamic?

Sharia law (Arabic: شريعة) is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islam.

 

[gsa]

Yes, the Muslim defenders will be quick to point to those verses in the bible as a way to deflect. But no country, except Islamic countries have active death penalties for homosexuals and actually carries them out in accordance with their religious laws.

This is what bothers me about posts like this. Yeah, only Islamic countries have active death penalties on the books (although Christian extremists have tried very hard to introduce those same punishments in Uganda). But some of those countries not only don't enforce those laws, they basically ignore pervasive homosexuality that is largely the result of their gender segregation. Case in point being KSA. Other countries that have lots of LGBT people being murdered don't enforce the murder statutes (or assault statutes, or theft statutes, etc) when the victims are LGBT. That includes places like Jamaica, Honduras, various countries in Africa and for a long time, frankly, the US and Europe.

And many of the same people who make this criticism of Islam ignore the fact that their own religious traditions have texts that are just as brutal, and often inspire similar anti-gay violence. I doubt that you will be calling on the Orthodox to abandon the prohibitions in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Akivah. So unless the criticism comes from someone who does not themselves hold negative beliefs about gays or from someone who is willing to criticize Abrahamic monotheism for its consistency in this area, it tends to ring pretty hollow.

I think Islam is a violently homophobic religion. But I don't think it is the only violently homophobic religion, and I don't think that members of the Abrahamic religions have much standing to criticize it on this point given their own histories.

 

[Demonslayer]

I think Islam is a violently homophobic religion. But I don't think it is the only violently homophobic religion,

This, and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention. If there were Christian theocracies, we'd see the same stuff. The theocracy is the problem...allowing the insane religious laws to be made into actual laws. In secular nations the madness of religious law is mitigated.

 

[FearGod]

So what are you saying, Sharia Law is not Islamic?

Sharia law (Arabic: شريعة) is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islam.

Not all laws, some laws are made by men, for example no one is allowed to eat during Ramadan and if caught then will be
punished, while the quran made fastening as a choice and that it's better if we do and the ill and the pregnant shouldn't fast and
those who don't bear fasting they have to contribute for the poor instead, so why to punish a person who don't want
to fast and why all restaurants must be closed during Ramadan and why non muslims shouldn't eat if walking the streets
in a muslim country, so don't blame Islam and the quran but blame those who put the laws.

 

[Akivah]

I'm asking if Islam has a law that says homosexuals should be killed?

Why are you asking me? There are multiple Islamic authorities that state that the Koran does say that homosexuality is punishable by death. The OP article cites:

The head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi;
Kuwaiti Islamic preacher and Muslim Brotherhood leader Tareq Al-Suweidan
Saudi cleric and Islamic University professor 'Abd Al-Qader Shiba Al-Hamad;
Founder of the Norwegian Islam Net Organization,Fahad Qureshi,
Dr. Awadh Binhazim, adjunct associate professor in pathology and Muslim chaplain at Vanderbilt University
Saudi cleric 'Abd Al-Qader Shiba Al-Hamad, professor at Islamic University in Saudi Arabia
Syrian scholar Muhammad Rateb Al-Nabulsi
Kuwaiti Islamist Sa'd Al-'Inz
The Islamic court in Al-Furat province
The Shari'a Court in Aleppo
Yemeni-American AQAP cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki

Are you saying none of these know what the Koran actually says?

 

[icehorse]

I believe Mosaic law proscribes death for homosexual acts also.

Presumably this comes from the "two wrongs make it right" school of morals and ethics?

 

[Lyndon]

Sharia law mostly comes form the Hadith, not the Quran, evidently you're misquoting the Quran, when it actually comes from the Hadith, which do not have the same level of certainty to most Muslims.

 

[FearGod]

Why are you asking me? There are multiple Islamic authorities that state that the Koran does say that homosexuality is punishable by death. The OP article cites:

The head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi;
Kuwaiti Islamic preacher and Muslim Brotherhood leader Tareq Al-Suweidan
Saudi cleric and Islamic University professor 'Abd Al-Qader Shiba Al-Hamad;
Founder of the Norwegian Islam Net Organization,Fahad Qureshi,
Dr. Awadh Binhazim, adjunct associate professor in pathology and Muslim chaplain at Vanderbilt University
Saudi cleric 'Abd Al-Qader Shiba Al-Hamad, professor at Islamic University in Saudi Arabia
Syrian scholar Muhammad Rateb Al-Nabulsi
Kuwaiti Islamist Sa'd Al-'Inz
The Islamic court in Al-Furat province
The Shari'a Court in Aleppo
Yemeni-American AQAP cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki

Are you saying none of these know what the Koran actually says?

I don't care what these people say, but what the quran says.
Do you have any evidence which proves that these humans were right about their decisions about killing the homosexuals.
We have to examine Islam and the quran and not what the scholars may say or think.

 

[Akivah]

I don't care what these people say, but what the quran says.
Do you have any evidence which proves that these humans were right about their decisions about killing the homosexuals.
We have to examine Islam and the quran and not what the scholars may say or think.

I don't understand why you keep asking ME for evidence. I didn't make these claims, I merely posted what Islamic authorities are saying and doing. We have several indisputable facts:

1) Multiple authorities in Islamic countries state that the Koran authorizes the killing of homosexuals.
2) Multiple Islamic countries (such as Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia) have explicit laws on their book, that THEY claim are based on the Koran, that authorize the killing of homosexuals.
3) Multiple Islamic countries routinely execute people solely due to being homosexual.

Feargod, do you believe that these Islamic authorities are wrong to execute homosexuals?

 

[yiostheoy]

All this concern about the Hershey Bar Road.

Alcohol can get you into a lot of trouble in the Muslim theocracies too.

Not just the Hershey Bar Road.

My advice -- stay out of the Muslim nations.

Then at least you can make your own homebrew without losing your head over it.

And whether you feel amorous towards the Hershey Bar Road or the more conventional Tunnel Of Love it does not matter then.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I don't understand why you keep asking ME for evidence.

Indeed. Clearly these awful things are happening in the Islamic world, and they will continue to happen until the majority of Muslims decide to abandon the medievalism.

 

[FearGod]

I don't understand why you keep asking ME for evidence. I didn't make these claims, I merely posted what Islamic authorities are saying and doing. We have several indisputable facts:

1) Multiple authorities in Islamic countries state that the Koran authorizes the killing of homosexuals.
2) Multiple Islamic countries (such as Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia) have explicit laws on their book, that THEY claim are based on the Koran, that authorize the killing of homosexuals.
3) Multiple Islamic countries routinely execute people solely due to being homosexual.

Feargod, do you believe that these Islamic authorities are wrong to execute homosexuals?

You're an educated person, right.

Can you examine Islam and see if one verse in the holy quran orders killing the homosexuals?
Homosexuals in the quran was mentioned as telling an event happened in the era of prophet Lot,
The prophet advised them to resist their lust towards same sex but they refused to listen and God
warned them of a punishment, so it's God's punishment and not human's punishment.

The Satan was stupid to resist God, are we?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

... it's God's punishment and not human's punishment.

Oh, that's alright then.

 

[Lyndon]

Sharia law mostly comes form the Hadith, not the Quran, evidently you're misquoting the Quran, when it actually comes from the Hadith, which do not have the same level of certainty to most Muslims.

Seems I need to repeat myself.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Seems I need to repeat myself.

It might be better it you just condemned the awful things that are happening, and stopped being an apologist.

 

[yiostheoy]

It might be better it you just condemned the awful things that are happening, and stopped being an apologist.

The USA is NOT the world's policeman.

IF other cultures want FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY then THEY should fight their own revolutionary war against their own tyrant kings.

There is therefore no apology necessary.

And no guilt either.