Exorcisms

[GA777]

[youtube]IjLpzmdBLPc[/youtube]
Real Russian exorcism footage 2 - YouTube

Exorcism Video.

But now, of course,this falls into 2 categories for atheists/agnostics, even if they see someone pulling 2 tonnes :

The first is mental illness
The second is editing and photoshopping.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

[youtube]IjLpzmdBLPc[/youtube]
Real Russian exorcism footage 2 - YouTube

Exorcism Video.

But now, of course,this falls into 2 categories for atheists/agnostics, even if they see someone pulling 2 tonnes :

The first is mental illness
The second is editing and photoshopping.

Or #3, acting.

 

[GA777]

Yep, forgot that unfortunately

 

[Renji]

[youtube]IjLpzmdBLPc[/youtube]
Real Russian exorcism footage 2 - YouTube

Exorcism Video.

I think I have read an info about that video before. And, based on what I can remember, the possessed wasn't liberated (yet) by the ritual.

 

[gnomon]

[youtube]IjLpzmdBLPc[/youtube]
Real Russian exorcism footage 2 - YouTube

Exorcism Video.

But now, of course,this falls into 2 categories for atheists/agnostics, even if they see someone pulling 2 tonnes :

The first is mental illness
The second is editing and photoshopping.

I saw a video easily explained by a few things. 1) Someone suffering from an illness being incorrectly treated, or 2) a young individual who may be acting (see the actual story that inspired the Exorcist) or 3) an individual who has been influenced through suggestion, or in this case, cultural indoctrination, to believe that they are possessed and recreate whatever is expected of them in such a situation.

What I don't see is any indication at all that an individual is allegedly possessed the alleged existence of incorporeal beings. Nor do I see the value in believing such a thing as actually being useful.

 

[GA777]

So, I was completely right.

Believing that the person is possessed means that demons exist, and exorcising them in Jesus name and making them suffer means that Jesus exists too.
The problem is that atheists tend to believe what they want to believe without further investigation and search in religious things, and I dont seriously care for someone who doesnt care about his life.

And question: Why does he suffer when he sees crosses-priests-hears prayers and gets blessed and have rinced blessed water on him, and goes out of control, but when he experiences things which arent religious, he doesnt feel any bad and you wont figure that he has any problem

 

[gnomon]

So, I was completely right.

Believing that the person is possessed means that demons exist, and exorcising them in Jesus name and making them suffer means that Jesus exists too.

That's like saying if the sun rises than Thor exists.

 

[GA777]

If that's your logical capacity, then I'd take it with a grain of salt

 

[gnomon]

If that's your logical capacity, then I'd take it with a grain of salt

So if you make a claim about the supernatural and people respond that they see no evidence of such a supernatural event you think it's logical to take that as proof that the supernatural event is indeed real.

When you state that merely believing that a person is possessed means that the devil is real you are avoiding logic completely.

If someone responded to that video with Splunge I assume you would take that response as proof of the devil as well?

 

[GA777]

That's like saying if the sun rises than Thor exists.

Not as 1% illogical as this statement. You cant even make a comparison !


avoiding whose logic?Your logic? Because reals things are unreal to illogical people most of the times.

And dont you assume much. All you're good at is assuming, like saying the devil or God dont exist for exemple. If you even have "little" logic, you'd claim that you dont know, but it is clear that you feel better disbelieving.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Not as 1% illogical as this statement. You cant even make a comparison !


avoiding whose logic?Your logic? Because reals things are unreal to illogical people most of the times.

And dont you assume much. All you're good at is assuming, like saying the devil or God dont exist for exemple. If you even have "little" logic, you'd claim that you dont know, but it is clear that you feel better disbelieving.

You claimed "Believing that the person is possessed means that demons exist, and exorcising them in Jesus name and making them suffer means that Jesus exists too."

Many people believe that demons exist, in many different cultures in many different forms. They also have their own methods of exorcising which all work.

Belief doesn't define reality.

 

[gnomon]

Not as 1% illogical as this statement. You cant even make a comparison !


avoiding whose logic?Your logic? Because reals things are unreal to illogical people most of the times.

And dont you assume much. All you're good at is assuming, like saying the devil or God dont exist for exemple. If you even have "little" logic, you'd claim that you dont know, but it is clear that you feel better disbelieving.

I don't know exactly how foolish a person has to be to state that believing that demons exists means they do exist. The statement "believes demons exist" only means that someone believes demons exist and nothing more.

 

[Vivekananda]

These are the things which we can't tell about until we've experienced it...

 

[Leonardo]

Do you believe that there are demons or ghosts that can possess people?
Do you believe a priest is needed for an exorcism?

Well...if you didn't then you would have no immediate need for religion would you? After all if it weren't for Satan christian churches would be out of business!

 

[Iti oj]

Do you believe that there are demons or ghosts that can possess people?
Do you believe a priest is needed for an exorcism?

no and no
but i have done tons of pagan exorcisms lol im the first one my friends turn to for that kinda stuff

 

[Heim]

I'd rather say that 'possessed people' are suffering from psychosis or some other mental disorder.
But who am I to judge? I'm not a psychiatrist.

 

[MrVirtualCoder]

Do you believe that there are demons or ghosts that can possess people?
Do you believe a priest is needed for an exorcism?

The second question requires the first one to be true to even be asked, and false for the question to be false

I believe in supernaturalism. Everything i am is based on the belief that my actions are 'random(Without a cause! -- Freely chosen.) , and that i am truly capable of doing without having a previous-"having done".

I happen to be born into Catholicism (Self-proclaimed Jew).
I hope that answers everything.

 

[MrVirtualCoder]

I'd rather say that 'possessed people' are suffering from psychosis or some other mental disorder.
But who am I to judge? I'm not a psychiatrist.

You are missing the 'golden point'.

A Psychiatrist does not know what the cause of an action is. A Psychiatrist is educated to diagnosing behavior patterns based on the presumption that existence is natural, and that we have a 'build-in" mechanism within our brain, that determines our actions based on previous events.

Ironically as it is, it was a Supernaturalist who 'coined' the science of studying and diagnosing behavior patterns.

 

[Manss]

yes demons are exist - last night a friend had come to me he told he has seen two demon at two different time ( at night) when I heard his explanation I understood one of them has been a demon and other a demoness ......

 

[Me Myself]

I do believe that people can be influenced by spirits, but I doubt they could taken over entirely without consent.

This. The way I understand it, "bad" spirits (most of them really dumb and weak (in comparison to a human being) are generaly atracted by "bad" emotions, like anger, hate, sorrow, etc and promote such feelings in the person. This same spirits are likely to leave when the person gets over this as they wouldn´t be able to feed from this feelings anymore and would find someone else.

I am using the word "demon" to denote a malevolent being capable of causing intentional harm (among other things).

I agree that many cultures and religions have something like demons, and believe that most of these cultures are describing essentially the same thing.

This I agree too. I would also add that I am sure that this beings can be cast out with different methods. If the being was powerful enough and STUBORN enough to stay with that person to not go as naturaly as he came.

i think we all have control over demons and anyone that gets possesed has probably willingly let the damned thing into themselves. but anyone can cast it out through sheer willpower

This. Most "evil" spirits are dumb and, energetically, much smaller and less powerful than us. It would be really curious that a powerful evil entity would want to attach to a human being for long time or any time for starters. I am sure it has happened sometime for some reason, but couldn´t think a reason for it and I am sure it is VERY uncommon.