Expelled

[Blentyn chan Celi]

I’m sorry to say that I cannot respond to all of you. I hope you are not offended, but I don’t have the time.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Of why the flood could not have happened? So much to say, so little time. Let's start simple. There isn't enough water. There is not enough water, on earth, in the oceans, under the land and in the atmosphere, to cover the whole earth over the tops of the mountains. And the amount of water on earth basically stays the same, in total, so if there isn't now, there never was.

That is a simple question, and I wasn’t there when it went down so I don’t know the answer, but here’s my best shot.

Let’s look at what the bible says first:

Genisis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Psalms 104
5 You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At Your rebuke they fled;
At the voice of Your thunder they hastened away.
8 They went up over the mountains;
They went down into the valleys,
To the place which You founded for them.
9 You have set a boundary that they may not pass over,
That they may not return to cover the earth.

When God opened the “windows of heaven” and “the fountains of the deep” there seems to have been some a sort of cataclysmic, global, natural disaster.
Assuming that the earth was flatter pre-flood then it is post-flood, and became pointier since the flood; it is statistically possible for the oceans to cover the land.

“The Earth can be divided into two major areas: continents (25%) and ocean basins (75%). Earth's surface has two levels: high continents and low ocean basins. The average elevation of continents is about 840 metres above sea level. The average elevation of ocean basins is about 3800 metres below sea level. Therefore, the mean elevation of the Earth is about 2,000 metres below sea level.”

Of course the creation model requires some pretty quick continental drift, and the mountains would have had to rise quick too. Likely? Maybe not, but then again…

Job 9
2 "Indeed, I know that this is true.
But how can a mortal be righteous before God?
3Though one wished to dispute with him,
he could not answer him one time out of a thousand.
4 His wisdom is profound, his power is vast.
Who has resisted him and come out unscathed?
5 He moves mountains without their knowing it
and overturns them in his anger.
6 He shakes the earth from its place
and makes its pillars tremble.
7 He speaks to the sun and it does not shine;
he seals off the light of the stars.
8 He alone stretches out the heavens
and treads on the waves of the sea.
9 He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion,
the Pleiades and the constellations of the south.
10 He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed,
miracles that cannot be counted.

 

[Autodidact]

That is a simple question, and I wasn’t there when it went down so I don’t know the answer, but here’s my best shot.

When God opened the “windows of heaven” and “the fountains of the deep” there seems to have been some a sort of cataclysmic, global, natural disaster.
Assuming that the earth was flatter pre-flood then it is post-flood, and became pointier since the flood; it is statistically possible for the oceans to cover the land.

Setting aside for a moment that there are no windows, no heaven, and no fountains, what the bible does not say is that the earth was flat before the non-existent flood.

Of course the creation model requires some pretty quick continental drift, and the mountains would have had to rise quick too.

Why? Why would there be rapid continental drift? How rapid? Like a skateboarder?

Likely? Maybe not, but then again…

Actually physically impossible.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

So do you also believe the Epic Of Gilgamesh?

Do you consider the Epic to be myth because it's not coming from the bible?

I’m not really sure what should be made of Gilgamesh. The flood story bares some similarities to the biblical account, but there are many more differences. I found that the gods described were very similar in nature to the gods of Greek mythology.
As far as historical accuracy goes, I believe that there probably was a king who the stories were based on because he is mentioned in other texts, but this one was not written with the intention of recording history.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Actually physically impossible.

I look forward to your explanation.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Have you ever studied how the human embryo develops? The embryo is a perfect example of how life forms can become more complicated.

Regards,
Scott

Yes sir, it does become more physically complicated. The process of meiosis does not, however, develop additional genetic information.

 

[rojse]

I am still waiting to find out how all of the Chinese managed to hold their breath for forty days and forty nights, and their civilisation remained completely intact.

 

[yossarian22]

I am still waiting to find out how all of the Chinese managed to hold their breath for forty days and forty nights, and their civilisation remained completely intact.

Isn't it obvious? The great wall sheltered them.

 

[rojse]

Isn't it obvious? The great wall sheltered them.

It's lucky that the wall was built water-tight.

 

[Autodidact]

Yes sir, it does become more physically complicated. The process of meiosis does not, however, develop additional genetic information.

Mutations do.

 

[Autodidact]

I look forward to your explanation.

Let us repair to a new thread for this, this one has strayed too far from home.

 

[The Great Architect]

I missed one thing: what are we animated by?

 

[JamBar85]

Science is not a religion, people

Amen to that.

 

[JamBar85]

Any thoughts on this upcoming movie?

Yeah. It looks rubbish.

 

[Autodidact]

I missed one thing: what are we animated by?

Pardon? Are you animated? Because I'm real.

 

[Sunstone]

I missed one thing: what are we animated by?

ATP -- the energy molecule.

 

[rojse]

I missed one thing: what are we animated by?

The creators of "The Simpsons".

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Let us repair to a new thread for this, this one has strayed too far from home.

Wunderbar

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

I am still waiting to find out how all of the Chinese managed to hold their breath for forty days and forty nights, and their civilisation remained completely intact.

I’m sorry, I’m not a student of eastern history, but the oldest Chinese era is refered to as the Xia dynasty. There is archeological evidence that they inhabited China starting in 2100 BC.

 

[fantome profane]

I’m sorry, I’m not a student of eastern history, but the oldest Chinese era is refered to as the Xia dynasty. There is archeological evidence that they inhabited China starting in 2100 BC.

www.china.org.cn

The first light of Chinese civilization revealed itself 7,000 to 8,000 years ago, as indicated by the ruins of the Daxi Culture in Sichuan and Hubei provinces, the Majiapang Culture in Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces, the Hemudu Culture in eastern Zhejiang and the Yangshou Culture along the middle reaches of the Yellow River and its main tributaries.