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Expelled

Smoke

Done here.
If anyone is still interested in Expelled, there's some interesting information here.
I wrote a review of Expelled on this site in December. The producers inadvertently invited us to a screening of it. As I said at the time, they were kind enough to invite me, so I feel bad about disliking it so much.

They disliked my review. So much that they now ask people who watch the film to sign nondisclosure agreements before they see it. (Expelled won't be officially released until April.) So much, that they put 72 links of commentary on their website, but omit my review, the only one of the 72 who had actually seen the movie. I am crushed, I tell you. Crushed.

Roger Moore, a reviewer for the Orlando Sentinel was also inadvertently invited to a screening, where he refused to sign one of these nondisclosure agreements, bless his heart. You can read what Moore thought of the movie here.

I thought the Expelled crowd was done with me, but lo! I received an email invitation to a telephone press conference with Stein and the producers in late January.

Now if Expelled can be said to have a theme, it is that all sorts of ideas should be batted around the ballfield of science and theology, that there should be freedom of expression. I was jazzed. I'd get to ask my questions. It would be American intellectual combat at its most naked. As producer Walt Ruloff put it:
"What we're really asking for is freedom of speech, and allowing science, and students, people in applied or theoretical research to have the freedom to go where they need to go and ask the questions."​
This makes it ironic, at least, that they expected the Orlando Sentinel to sign a nondisclosure agreement.

But there are limits. Let's face it. We all have them. Freedom of expression is unseemly at an Expelled press conference. There was no give-and-take, no open marketplace of ideas, in fact, scarcely any questions at all. Ruloff and Stein batted one softball after another out of the park from those posed by Paul Lauer, a representative of the film's public relations firm. Questions from non-employees had to be submitted by email. Lauer (or somebody at his firm) screened them.
 

rojse

RF Addict
If anyone is still interested in Expelled, there's some interesting information here.
I wrote a review of Expelled on this site in December. The producers inadvertently invited us to a screening of it. As I said at the time, they were kind enough to invite me, so I feel bad about disliking it so much.​


They disliked my review. So much that they now ask people who watch the film to sign nondisclosure agreements before they see it. (Expelled won't be officially released until April.) So much, that they put 72 links of commentary on their website, but omit my review, the only one of the 72 who had actually seen the movie. I am crushed, I tell you. Crushed.​


Roger Moore, a reviewer for the Orlando Sentinel was also inadvertently invited to a screening, where he refused to sign one of these nondisclosure agreements, bless his heart. You can read what Moore thought of the movie here.​


I thought the Expelled crowd was done with me, but lo! I received an email invitation to a telephone press conference with Stein and the producers in late January.​


Now if Expelled can be said to have a theme, it is that all sorts of ideas should be batted around the ballfield of science and theology, that there should be freedom of expression. I was jazzed. I'd get to ask my questions. It would be American intellectual combat at its most naked. As producer Walt Ruloff put it:
"What we're really asking for is freedom of speech, and allowing science, and students, people in applied or theoretical research to have the freedom to go where they need to go and ask the questions."​
This makes it ironic, at least, that they expected the Orlando Sentinel to sign a nondisclosure agreement.​


But there are limits. Let's face it. We all have them. Freedom of expression is unseemly at an Expelled press conference. There was no give-and-take, no open marketplace of ideas, in fact, scarcely any questions at all. Ruloff and Stein batted one softball after another out of the park from those posed by Paul Lauer, a representative of the film's public relations firm. Questions from non-employees had to be submitted by email. Lauer (or somebody at his firm) screened them.​

Thanks for the links, and the article. Did you write them yourself? If so, I am very impressed.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
you know its bad when even FOX News won't support you.
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FoxNews said:
Directed by one Nathan Frankowski, "Expelled" is a sloppy, all-over-the-place, poorly made (and not just a little boring) "expose" of the scientific community. It’s not very exciting. But it does show that Stein, who’s carved out a career selling eye drops in commercials and amusing us on sitcoms, is either completely nuts or so avaricious that he’s abandoned all good sense to make a buck.
To wit: Stein, Frankowski and pals say in "Expelled" that perfectly good scientists and educators are being stigmatized for wanting to teach their students creationism and "intelligent design" — in other words, junk science — in addition to or instead of conventionally accepted Darwinism. You see, Stein, like some other celebrities, finally has shown his true colors and they aren’t so pretty.
The gist of Stein’s involvement is: He’s outraged! He believes in God! God created the universe! How can we not avail our students of this theory? What do you mean we’re just molecules?
What the producers of this film would love, love, love is a controversy. That’s because it’s being marketed by the same people who brought us "The Passion of the Christ." They’re hoping someone will latch onto an anti-Semitism theme here, since there’s a visit to a concentration camp and the raised idea — apparently typical of the intelligent design community — that somehow the theory of evolution is so evil that it caused the Holocaust. Alas, this is such a warped premise that no one’s biting.
The whole idea of Stein, a Jew, jumping on the intelligent design bandwagon of the theory of evolution begetting the Nazis is so distasteful you wonder what in — sorry — God’s name — he was thinking when he got into this. Who cares, really, if "Expelled" is anti-Semitic? It will come and go without much fanfare.


wa:do
 

trinity2359

Active Member
Intelligent Design is not a science. That does not make it wrong, but it is still not a science. Ergo, when a scientist advocates ID and calls it a science, it seriously hurts his credibility.

I agree. The limited exposure I have had with ID seems to based its 'evidence' on philosophical arguments rather than observable phenomonea which is the bulwork of science. Then again, there are many gaps in the evolutionary argument as well which prevents its elevation to 'law'.

sry - didn't realize this was already on page 30 -- return to your regular discusion :)
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Then again, there are many gaps in the evolutionary argument as well which prevents its elevation to 'law'.

Trinity, could you please explain where you came about the notion that evolutionary theory has gaps which prevent it's being elevated to a law? What source would be so misinformed as to put forward that notion?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
There are no 'Laws' in Biology! (laws are for mathematics)

That fact and that fact alone prevents evolution from being 'elevated'.

wa:do
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
But there are limits. Let's face it. We all have them. Freedom of expression is unseemly at an Expelled press conference. There was no give-and-take, no open marketplace of ideas, in fact, scarcely any questions at all. Ruloff and Stein batted one softball after another out of the park from those posed by Paul Lauer, a representative of the film's public relations firm. Questions from non-employees had to be submitted by email. Lauer (or somebody at his firm) screened them.
Heh, I just tried to post a comment on the YouTube super-trailer for this film that Hope linked to but I found that my comment was subject to approval. I then noticed that I couldn't find a single comment that was raising questions about the film's credibility or expressed any negative feelings about it. Yeh. :rolleyes: Freedom of thought and expression.
 

McBell

Unbound
Trinity, could you please explain where you came about the notion that evolutionary theory has gaps which prevent it's being elevated to a law? What source would be so misinformed as to put forward that notion?
GIMME a "C"
GIMME a "R"
GIMME a "E"
GIMME a "A"
GIMME a "T"
GIMME a "I"
GIMME a "O"
GIMME a "N"
GIMME a "I"
GIMME a "S"
GIMME a "M"
 

trinity2359

Active Member
I have learned my lesson of about making idle comments on this board - I respectfully bow out of the discussion. Not because I am swayed in my opinion, but rather because I choose not to devote the time/energy to supoorting my case here. Creationism vs. Evolution isn't a passion of mine :) Thanks and enjoy.
 
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