How exactly are you supposed to have objective evidence of an NDE? You would need something like from the movie, Brainstorm, which can record thoughts or something that can jack you into the other person's mind.
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Experiencing God
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
To you. But we have totally opposite worldviews, from what I glean from your posts.Therein lies the problem.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It would be nice to think that NDEs are more than hallucinations, but findings from neuroscience don't support that. If people are looking to NDEs as "proof" of an afterlife then IMO they are scraping the barrel.
Calling it a "hallucination" doesn't matter to me, since it's all the same to me. Dreams, hallucinations, "lucid" states, etc. - all the same. "Reality" is really not objective. All you ever really have is your own subjective experiences. There is no empirical way to determine whether something is "real" or not.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Imagine yourself dropping a brick on your foot. Then actually drop a brick on your foot. See the difference?
If my imagining of it is intense enough, you can "feel" it in a psychic way. It's the same as how our body reacts to a good horror flick or nightmare as if it was physically happening to us or with strong sexual fantasies.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
A common reality (such as a group of people in a lucid waking state agreeing that it's raining) is not the same as an objective reality.But I hope you can tell the difference.....
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
No there is not. Believe it or not, not every human being lies
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That's irrelevant to anything I said.The same is true of a common belief like "God".
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yes, it is. I don't believe in "God".Oh no it isn't.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Because there is a difference between one's interpretation of an event and the actual reality of said event. We see this in court trials where multiple eyewitnesses to an event may have wildly differing interpretations. For NDEs, which we can replicate in the lab, you're depending on the brain, which is in distress, to accurately interpret an event. They we rely on memory, which is a faulty mechanism anyhow, getting worse and more interpolated as time goes on, as the sole measure of this experience. The question is, how did the person who claims to have an experience with a god actually know that they did? Given the inherent flaws in experience and interpretation, how can anyone trust that supposed experience to be factually accurate?
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Yes, actually, they do. And even if they are not purposely lying, they can still be wrong.
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
No they dont. There are a lot if honest loving peo9le out there who dont lie. My mom is one and rasied me not to lie. Just cause you cant explain things does not mean people lie about what happen. You just dont understand things.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Actually I consider you 'wrong', until you present evidence otherwise, //we agree.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
You can consider me anything you want, the whole forum considers you wrong. I'm with them.
Kenaz
I Am
May I just say...
Let us not tell others what to believe.
Let us also not tell others their experience is false.
Our experiences are our own.
Do not expect others to believe you. They do not need to.
Do not tell others what to believe. They do not need to.
Do not believe yourself. Question. Now, and tomorrow.
Experience is yours alone. Truth is for each of us to discover.
Friendship and positive exchange is a choice. To waste it over pettiness is a shame.
Let us not tell others what to believe.
Let us also not tell others their experience is false.
Our experiences are our own.
Do not expect others to believe you. They do not need to.
Do not tell others what to believe. They do not need to.
Do not believe yourself. Question. Now, and tomorrow.
Experience is yours alone. Truth is for each of us to discover.
Friendship and positive exchange is a choice. To waste it over pettiness is a shame.