Explaining negativity towards Muslims and/or Islam?

[oldbadger]

I live in England and have worked alongside several Muslim younger colleagues over the years. Nearly all were in to cool fashion, decent motors, girlfriends...... If they were reading this thread they would wonder who was being discussed, cos it sure wouldn't be them.

 

[Lyndon]

Do you see Americans chanting and cheering when the government does that to everyday women and children?

Nope... Americans have not been recorded celebrating the deaths of innocent Muslim civilians by the thousands.

...We don't do that as a people.

I've seen all kinds of Americans celebrating the deaths of Muslims in the conflicts, where in America do you live??

 

[Cooky]

I've seen all kinds of Americans celebrating the deaths of Muslims in the conflicts, where in America do you live??

I doubt it. Im talking about innocent people.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I doubt it. Im talking about innocent people.

You've never been to hate sites like Bare Naked Islam, then.

 

[Piculet]

So I look at the Muslim world and I see this,

I doubt it. I've spent some time studying Islam and I counted 24 names there and I have no idea what 17 of them are. It would astound me if you knew what all those are. I also think many of those don't exist anymore in any form.

As a student of Islam, I don't go and read about each of those and then work my way toward reading about Islam.
That wouldn't make any sense, would it? Or did you begin to learn about protestantism by studying about mormonism, Jehovah's witnesses and catholism and then little by little you understood what Protestantism is all about and knew it was the truth – after comparing it with all the other denominations?

If you've studied Islam, you know that the four on the left; hanafi, hanbali, maliki, shafi, don't make any difference to each other. They are schools of thought, not sects. They are ultimately the same. If you study shi'ism and the Quran you will find that their beliefs contradict the Quran.

What do you want me to say? That is Islam is united as one unifo

No. I wanted to know what you mean by more. It was a simple question — if you don't know, you can just say so. I know you haven't studied Islam on any deeper level. Making claims is one thing. Being able to support them is another matter.

 

[Piculet]

I live in England and have worked alongside several Muslim younger colleagues over the years. Nearly all were in to cool fashion, decent motors, girlfriends...... If they were reading this thread they would wonder who was being discussed, cos it sure wouldn't be them.

And let's keep it clear from them in the future.

 

[oldbadger]

And let's keep it clear from them in the future.

We don't get to say for them, choose for them or speak for them. But we sure can act if they get messed with. Many Muslims here do want decent jobs, good livings, nice clothes, smart motors and girlfriends. And the young women do want to choose their futures, their fashions, their friends and their interests.

And they have the law on their side to support them in that as much as possible. I did know a couple of Muslims who did want to pray at midday, fast at Ramadan, be more involved with their faith, but they were good colleagues and well trusted too.

 

[EsonauticSage]

So I look at the Muslim world and I see this, just as among the Christians. Even in Judaism there is not just one form.

What do you want me to say? That is Islam is united as one uniform whole?

Now if you can explain this diversity as not being there, I will learn from you and stand corrected.

Precisely this 100%

 

[EsonauticSage]

I doubt it. I've spent some time studying Islam and I counted 24 names there and I have no idea what 17 of them are. It would astound me if you knew what all those are. I also think many of those don't exist anymore in any form.

Then you're obviously very ill educated.

I only counted three of those that don't exist anymore, all the rest are still active forms. The widest spread forms of Islam being Hanafi, Maliki, Salafi and Jafari.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do you see Americans chanting and cheering when the government does that to everyday women and children?

Nope... Americans have not been recorded celebrating the deaths of innocent Muslim civilians by the thousands.

...We don't do that as a people.

You are still extrapolating the few onto a very much larger majority - and which is a basic fallacy. Like to look at statistics and what would be a representative sample?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I doubt it. I've spent some time studying Islam and I counted 24 names there and I have no idea what 17 of them are. It would astound me if you knew what all those are. I also think many of those don't exist anymore in any form.

As a student of Islam, I don't go and read about each of those and then work my way toward reading about Islam.
That wouldn't make any sense, would it? Or did you begin to learn about protestantism by studying about mormonism, Jehovah's witnesses and catholism and then little by little you understood what Protestantism is all about and knew it was the truth – after comparing it with all the other denominations?

If you've studied Islam, you know that the four on the left; hanafi, hanbali, maliki, shafi, don't make any difference to each other. They are schools of thought, not sects. They are ultimately the same. If you study shi'ism and the Quran you will find that their beliefs contradict the Quran.

No. I wanted to know what you mean by more. It was a simple question — if you don't know, you can just say so. I know you haven't studied Islam on any deeper level. Making claims is one thing. Being able to support them is another matter.

I accept that you view Islam as one and that you decide that this is true: If you study shi'ism and the Quran you will find that their beliefs contradict the Quran.

I don't accept that and view Shi'ism as a part of Islam.
Just as if you study Christianity, you will find that different interpretation contradict each other, yet they are all part of Christianity.

So the more is this. There is the Quran and there is how to interpret it. How to interpret it is the more. You reject there are different interpretations, because to you there is only one true one.
But the fact, that you admit there are wrong interpretations, means, there are more. That is logic BTW. If there are 2 interpretations and you treat one as true and the other as false, means that there are 2; i.e. more.