Autodidact
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It's hilarious how all the creationists posting in this thread are perfect illustrations of what it's about. hint to England: find out what a scientific theory is. Additional hint: It's what all science is.
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Failure of creationists/theists to undertand scientific theory & facts
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It's hilarious how all the creationists posting in this thread are perfect illustrations of what it's about. hint to England: find out what a scientific theory is. Additional hint: It's what all science is.
Autodidact
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ToE has as much evidence to support it as the theory that the earth is round. (Actually it's not quite round.)
No one asserts that science is infallible, just that ToE is science.
Autodidact
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There is always a minute amount of doubt about any scientific theory, England, that's what makes it science. Should we then stop teaching--and doing--science?
Autodidact
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??? non sequitor anyone? Did you have a point? Actually, England, stop and think about how we figured out that it wasn't. Do you think it was maybe...wait for it...science? And anyway, thalidomide doesn't cause Spina Bifida, does it?
Autodidact
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Uh, maybe that's because ToE is what...a scientific theory.
Can you spot the contradiction here?
Because ToE is a scientific theory, a very specific, well-devloped, well-evidenced, scientific theory, and nothing more.
Great.
What evidence might that be? ID isn't a scientific theory, and so cannot possibly be supported--or refuted--by evidence.
Autodidact
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Another attitude you find among creationists and ID proponents is anti-sciencism. They may start out alleging that ID is science, and that the evidence supports their view, but whether sooner or later, they reveal that they distrust and oppose science. We have seen this already twice in this thread.
Women_Of_Reason
Mystery Lover
Another attitude that I noticed is that creationist often ridicule science as being nothing more than faith.
Just a tiny little bit ironic.
Just a tiny little bit ironic.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's comical that they would refer to science as "faith" when you can see it's fruits function right before your eyes. It's like saying 2 + 2 = 4 is a matter of faith.
Women_Of_Reason
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Thats nice lots of people knew about ocean currents, like the Polynesians... but it isn't Intelligent Design... care to try again?
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Autodidact
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roli: What on earth are you blathering on about? We were trying to have a conversation, a conversation about evolution and creationism. Did you want to join us, or were you just going to stand over there and talk to yourself? Do you need your own thread?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Worthless, proselytical slop. What does any of that have to do with anything?
Really, if you don't like science, what are you doing with a computer anyway?
I love science,but my point is TOE is an ongoing investigation unlike discovering that you can circumnavigate the Earth so ob done lets go home.
Of course it must be taught ,it is an integral part of being a Human being, i have no problem with TOE but i do have a problem when its said that it is Science so it must be right.
A good example is when my wife was pregnant with our youngest Son,she had all the usual checks scans etc,we then had a letter with an appointment to see a speialist.
The consultant explained to us that there was strong evidence that the Baby would be Downes syndrome and advised termination,well apart from not believing it,Downes syndrome or not we were having that Baby.
Thankfully they were totally wrong and my Son now 13 is a fine sportsman and doing nicely at school,obviously this is medical science but do you get me Science is'nt about just being right its about pushing the barriers,History is littered with scienific fact that ended being scientific wrongs but without it we would'nt know much would we.
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That's what I thought !!!!!
Ok Auto, science is a fact, I never once refuted it,it is the developmental stages within species, or evoultion, or whatever you specifically want to label it.
I'm not afraid of it, I comprehend what everyone is saying, but what amazes me is how everything brought to the table, such as the statement below, are dismissed, or in this case, ignored, why is that ?
The elephant in the room,
Have you ever actually read what creationist/scientists have to say, or do you purposely ignore and stay clear of their professional perspectives and just accept what you choose and what supports your claim.
I 'm sure you have a defense, on every angle, but regardless, this speculation and contemplation of intelligent design in the lab is stirring the scienitfic community.
2) Columnist George Caylor once interviewed a molecular biologist for an article entitled "The Biologist," that ran on February 17, 2000, in The Ledger (Lynchburg, VA), and is in part reprinted here as a conversation between "G: (Caylor) and "J" (the scientist). We joint the piece in the middle of a discussion about the complexity of human code.
G: "Do you believe that the information evolved?"
J: "George, nobody I know in my profession believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book! Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise."
G: "Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?"
J: "No, I just say it evolved. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold onto two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectureseverything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living.
G: I hate to say it, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.
J: The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind's worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.
G: What elephant?
G: Creation design. It's like an elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn't there!
J: "George, nobody I know in my profession believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book! Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise."
G: "Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?"
J: "No, I just say it evolved. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold onto two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectureseverything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living.
G: I hate to say it, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.
J: The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind's worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.
G: What elephant?
G: Creation design. It's like an elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn't there!
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
I am not sure what you mean here ...
Basically i don't give a cent on the argument of authority. I don't read what "Y" said, i read arguments and compare evidence. I don't care for all these conspiracy theories. There mere fact that there are hundrets of creationist books shows what to think of such a claim. It actually is very simple... if you or someone else believes in creationism them he should present his theory adhering to the standards that science and rational thought demands.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
All science is an ongoing investigation. We are still investigating gravity... that doesn't make it less scientific. We are still investigating the shape of the Earth and its movements.
One fact does not a scientific theory make... scientific theories are made of hundreds of facts strung together within a framework of understanding.
Its right because all of the evidence, all of the facts, fit within the framework of understanding in a way that can predict events and be demonstrated.
This is a terrible example. The mistakes of the doctor don't invalidate science... I'm glad your son is fine, but don't confuse a medical diagnosis for science.
I mean come on... until the Theory of Germs came along, doctors thought illness was caused by 'bad spirits' or 'ill humors'.
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Roli-
Your interview is not evidence of Intelligent Design... its an example of the sort of ID talk I mentioned.
Where is the research? Where is the evidence?
But yes I agree the elephant does stink up the room. But that may just be the people who say its there being full of hot air, since they can't actually show any evidence that the elephant exists.
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Your interview is not evidence of Intelligent Design... its an example of the sort of ID talk I mentioned.
Where is the research? Where is the evidence?
But yes I agree the elephant does stink up the room. But that may just be the people who say its there being full of hot air, since they can't actually show any evidence that the elephant exists.
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