Apollonius
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Were I the same as you there would be no need for me.
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Faith and Religion: Does Everyone Have To Be The Same?
- Thread starter ChristineES
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Unless the "Truth" is "All religions are True", then I don't see how all religions could be true. Er...
Sure, bits and pieces could contain parts of the truth, but there'd have to be other parts that were flat out wrong, or nuances in other religions that were more right.
To clarify, either God exists or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then the question of who worships God correctly is rather moot.
If he does exist, then either he cares about being worshipped a particular way or he doesn't. If he does care, then we have only one truly True religion (and parts of other religions that may have gotten certain parts right). If he doesn't care, but likes the attention anyway, then all religions can pretty much claim that they are Truth.
Sure, bits and pieces could contain parts of the truth, but there'd have to be other parts that were flat out wrong, or nuances in other religions that were more right.
To clarify, either God exists or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then the question of who worships God correctly is rather moot.
If he does exist, then either he cares about being worshipped a particular way or he doesn't. If he does care, then we have only one truly True religion (and parts of other religions that may have gotten certain parts right). If he doesn't care, but likes the attention anyway, then all religions can pretty much claim that they are Truth.
That is so true.
It isn't any beliefs that make you moral (or good, ethical, etc) but your heart (not literally your heart, but you know what I mean). Most people would not murder someone- some because they would find it wrong if they did, others because they don't want to suffer the consequences, and some because they thought of violence turns their stomachs. There are even more reasons than that. But which one of those is because of morality? Or all they all morality? Does believing in one entity make you more moral than someone else, or is there more involved?
For me, I did not really become a different person when I became a Christian- I changed some ideas and maybe some practices, but that is about all. But I was basically the same person. Isn't that the same as anyone else.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
That is so true.
It isn't any beliefs that make you moral (or good, ethical, etc) but your heart (not literally your heart, but you know what I mean). Most people would not murder someone- some because they would find it wrong if they did, others because they don't want to suffer the consequences, and some because they thought of violence turns their stomachs.
That being said, sorry if this question changes the subject a little. What you just said, if it be true, do you still think Christianity is right about original sin and people being evil by nature? If most people would not murder someone and most people try to be good. Is original sin true then?
I don't truly believe in "original sin". What I do believe is that we all have flesh, and we will have fleshly desires, including things that aren't good for us or not good for others. We all have those desires, no matter who we are, what our faith is, what country we are born in, etc. People may have a belief system in where they try to control those desires, and that seems to be a basic thing in a lot of faiths and religions (whether or not they have a deity). That even seems to be true of people who have no religious beliefs at all.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I strongly believe people are good by nature, but then things happen in life that changes that sometimes. Some people retain their naturally good natures, and never go off into that. Religion can't make a person good I agree, but religion is utilized to it's fullest when a truly good indivdual practices that religion, meaning a loving and kind person. Religion can help a person find goodness again after they've lost it a long time. Children are good, they never judge based on appearance, until their parents start to put biases into them. Children see all people as the same. That is natural goodness.
Mm. I dare you to go into any elementary school and test that one out. Kids are brutal, and perhaps even more so that adults, because they haven't learned why it's wrong to pick on or shun the weird looking kid.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
This is incorrect. Even infants show a positive bias towards attractive people.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I'm speaking of younger then school age children. I'm speaking like when children are maybe 3 or 4 at the most, and they haven't really formed any opinions about anybody, and they'll run up to anybody and want to hug them, and their parents might say something like they don't like the person. Children learn to discreminate from their parents. Especially about matters like race or gender.
Here is a verse from the Gospel of Mark:
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is for us.
I think that verse says a lot!
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is for us.
I think that verse says a lot!
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Yes it does. I'm not against Jesus himself, but I think a lot of the things Christianity does now distorts his message, if they even follow his message at all. A lot seem to make it all about Paul.
Apollonius
Member
In plenty of Protestant denominations the greater part of preaching deals entirely with the writings of Paul, insomuch that Jesus is made to take a second seat behind Paul.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
You are most welcome to your opinions!
A few million of us disagree with you.
Peace,
Bruce
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings, Falvlun!
All the great religions can be true quite simply!
It's simply a matter of remembering that truth is relative, and what is best changes from Age to Age.
As the Baha'i scriptures explain,
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."
(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114;
also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)
Best!
Bruce
All the great religions can be true quite simply!
It's simply a matter of remembering that truth is relative, and what is best changes from Age to Age.
As the Baha'i scriptures explain,
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."
(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114;
also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)
Best!
Bruce
Thank you Bruce.All the great religions can be true quite simply!
It's simply a matter of remembering that truth is relative, and what is best changes from Age to Age.
As the Baha'i scriptures explain,
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."
(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114;
also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)
Best!
Bruce
So, what about right now, in the present. Your post covered why one religion might be true back in 1000 BC, and a different religion might be true in 2010 AD. But what about the 5 bazillion different beliefs that coexist together in one Age? Are they all true at the same time? And if that is so, then you are basically saying that it doesn't matter when the belief is in vogue, because whenever it is in vogue it will still be true.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Children are rebellious by nature. They go through the terrible two's
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings!
I'm not talking about all the many individual beliefs, but about the great religions that form this sequence, which is a much smaller number!
So while, for example, Christianity is currently split into over 35,000 different subgroups, to us it remains a single category in this overall progression.
The number of religions in question thus remains quite manageable.
Best regards,
Bruce
I'm not talking about all the many individual beliefs, but about the great religions that form this sequence, which is a much smaller number!
So while, for example, Christianity is currently split into over 35,000 different subgroups, to us it remains a single category in this overall progression.
The number of religions in question thus remains quite manageable.
Best regards,
Bruce
Ok. So say we just have 5 different beliefs (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism) going on at one time. Are all five of these true at the same time?Greetings!
I'm not talking about all the many individual beliefs, but about the great religions that form this sequence, which is a much smaller number!
So while, for example, Christianity is currently split into over 35,000 different subgroups, to us it remains a single category in this overall progression.
The number of religions in question thus remains quite manageable.
Best regards,
Bruce
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings!
Yes, indeed!
We accept them ALL as being legitimate and God-sent, as well as Zorotrianism, the Babi Faith, Sabaeanism, and the Baha'i Faith, as the quote I posted made clear!
Of course, only one at a time can have the latest teachings and laws, but that's always been the case, and even the newest eventually shifts into the line of previous religions as new Divine Revelations come, as they always will.
Peace,
Bruce
Yes, indeed!
We accept them ALL as being legitimate and God-sent, as well as Zorotrianism, the Babi Faith, Sabaeanism, and the Baha'i Faith, as the quote I posted made clear!
Of course, only one at a time can have the latest teachings and laws, but that's always been the case, and even the newest eventually shifts into the line of previous religions as new Divine Revelations come, as they always will.
Peace,
Bruce
dust1n
Zindīq
"On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isn't the real point. ... the most incorrigible vice being that of an ignorance which fancies it knows everything and therefore claims for itself the right to kill."
- Camus