Faith in Jesus Christ

[1137]

Yes, the Hebrew scriptures clearly state that when Messiah rules from the throne of David in Jerusalem, Israel there will be no more war. While reading the scriptures it is important to ask the who, when, where, why questions. In reference to the prophetic time frame for world peace under Messiah a very important question is, "when?".

Well, it obviously isn't now, and Christ has already come and gone. Listen to your own reasoning.

 

[1137]

Neither God nor people do magic but lots of people claim to do magic, often in the name of their God. They do it to prove to magic-believing folk that they actually speak for God. Sometimes it's healing the sick; other times it's foretelling the future. Usually the magic is done later, by the prophet's biographers. It's so much easier to part the Red Sea with words than to do it in real life.



Prophecy is magic, and no true God would do magic. If a prophet claims that his God has whispered special knowledge of the fulture into his ear, then that prophet is not speaking for a true God. Neither God nor His prophets can break the natural laws.

It's like the scripture thing. No true God would send actual words down to mankind -- most especially not words set in stone or in scripture. That's the sort of error which no true God would ever make.

Just my opinion, but it seems pretty obvious.

I see many random claims and absolutely no evidence or reason supporting them.

 

[InChrist]

Well, it obviously isn't now, and Christ has already come and gone. Listen to your own reasoning.

That's right, it obviously isn't now because it is prophesied for the latter days at the end of the age. Like I said there are prophecies that point to a Savior coming in meekness and humility to suffer for the sins of the world and prophecies that a Savior will come with vengeance, power, and wrath against Israel's enemies and all who are in sinful rebellion... then usher in the kingdom of peace. These prophetic events cannot and do not happen at the same time, therefore Christ came the first time to be the Lamb of God and He promised to come again at which time He will fulfill the remainder of the prophecies related to setting up the kingdom and bringing peace. We are in the age of grace at present, not the end of the age, although, I think the end is pretty close.

 

[1137]

That's right, it obviously isn't now because it is prophesied for the latter days at the end of the age. Like I said there are prophecies that point to a Savior coming in meekness and humility to suffer for the sins of the world and prophecies that a Savior will come with vengeance, power, and wrath against Israel's enemies and all who are in sinful rebellion... then usher in the kingdom of peace. These prophetic events cannot and do not happen at the same time, therefore Christ came the first time to be the Lamb of God and He promised to come again at which time He will fulfill the remainder of the prophecies related to setting up the kingdom and bringing peace. We are in the age of grace at present, not the end of the age, although, I think the end is pretty close.

Again, give me a single quote from the Hebrew bible saying that the Messiah comes twice. I can save you the time and tell you the verse does not exist, the Messiah comes once. Jesus failed and so Christianity made this idea of a second coming to account for his failure. Of course, I doubt he even believed himself the messiah, the whole thing probably came about later.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I see many random claims and absolutely no evidence or reason supporting them.

You didn't ask me for evidence or reason. I have those in spades. My evidence is way more compelling than a burning bush story told by ancient shepherds, trust me.

 

[InChrist]

Again, give me a single quote from the Hebrew bible saying that the Messiah comes twice. I can save you the time and tell you the verse does not exist, the Messiah comes once. Jesus failed and so Christianity made this idea of a second coming to account for his failure. Of course, I doubt he even believed himself the messiah, the whole thing probably came about later.

I have already said there is not a single verse taken alone that says the Messiah comes twice. I believe God desires a person to spend time reading and delving into the scriptures,all the scriptures taken together, while seeking His revelation to see the overall picture of His plan through history. But of course you can believe whatever you choose to, for now anyway.





The Messianic Time Table According to Daniel the Prophet - Issues Volume 5 Number 1 - Jews for Jesus

 

[Noya]

Mark 13:14-27 (Jesus speaks of the second coming)

 

[1137]

Mark 13:14-27 (Jesus speaks of the second coming)

Christian text.

 

[AdityaMookerjee]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."

The book of Isaiah was written around 700 B.C. (700 years before Christ walked the earth and about 750 years before the book of Matthew was written).

Isaiah 45:17 "But Israel shall be saved by the Lord With an everlasting salvation; You shall not be ashamed or disgraced Forever and ever.

Isaiah 45:17 prophesies salvation through Christ.

I believe in the beliefs of faiths, and not because I follow specific religions. A Christlike person in India, kept many pictures of icons of religion, and he is a Hindu. He was a follower of the Muslim and Christian faiths for a time, before he realized that God is the same to everyone. He had not heard of Judaism, and he is supposed to be an 'Avatar', the term is difficult to understand.