Faith in permanent death

[Koldo]

No, they aren't just possibilities. Possibilities are important. Sometimes its all we have to work with.

Possibilities are important only if we try to verify whether they correspond to the reality. And when talking about possibilities regarding future events the likelihood for them to happen is also a relevant matter.

It also worth note that occam's razor makes our life easier on this regard while we stick to it. It is an important principle to keep in mind.

Not unless you move around in a heavily armored, sturdy vehicle that could withstand the impact of an elephant, or a whale for that matter. Can't be too careful.

Argh, i don't have the money to buy that. :sad4:

 

[Otherright]

Is it your belief that there is no concept of an immaterial spirit in dharmic religions? What is it that gets reincarnated?

I believe in impermanence. When I die otherright ceases to exist, because the ego of otherright is attached to my body. It is influenced by my genetics and upbringing. It dies when this body dies, so I technically won't be coming back.

The consciousness, awareness, and intuition I possess, on the other hand, will merge once again with the stream of consciousness, and be recycled moving on to another ego. The "me" will be gone, the "me" without me will be back.

It won't have my memories, it won't know I was there. It will have a new ego to conquer influenced by a new set of genetics and upbringing.

Stevenson has a pretty good theory about why he thinks it works this way, if you care to hear it. It is pseudo-science to say the least, but interesting all the same. I like it because it makes sense to me.

 

[Koldo]

I believe in impermanence. When I die otherright ceases to exist, because the ego of otherright is attached to my body. It is influenced by my genetics and upbringing. It dies when this body dies, so I technically won't be coming back.

The consciousness, awareness, and intuition I possess, on the other hand, will merge once again with the stream of consciousness, and be recycled moving on to another ego. The "me" will be gone, the "me" without me will be back.

It won't have my memories, it won't know I was there. It will have a new ego to conquer influenced by a new set of genetics and upbringing.

Stevenson has a pretty good theory about why he thinks it works this way, if you care to hear it. It is pseudo-science to say the least, but interesting all the same. I like it because it makes sense to me.

This is a strange concept of afterlife to me, because we know that the atoms of our corpses may be part of a new life, however we don't usually regard this kind of event as 'afterlife'. In the same way, i don't see how a life with my consciousness but without my ego could ever be called 'afterlife'.

 

[Otherright]

This is a strange concept of afterlife to me, because we know that the atoms of our corpses may be part of a new life, however we don't usually regard this kind of event as 'afterlife'. In the same way, i don't see how a life with my consciousness but without my ego could ever be called 'afterlife'.

That's a difference in eastern thought vs western thought.

 

[waitasec]

:sarcastic

Look, what I meant was that if you ignore the possibilities and don't consider them, you aren't going to even have a glimpse of truth,

no no no. :no:
glimpse of a certain speculation, not truth. stop calling it that because you don't know, do you.

whereas if you do consider them and come to understand the possibilities, then you are potentially/definetly staring at truth in the face, depending on whether or not you've created a complete list of the possibilities.

no no no:no:
staring at speculation in the face...

speculate all you want, just don't confuse it with truth.

 

[Koldo]

That's a difference in eastern thought vs western thought.

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:sw:

 

[Otherright]

no no no. :no:
glimpse of a certain speculation, not truth. stop calling it that because you don't know, do you.



no no no:no:
staring at speculation in the face...

speculate all you want, just don't confuse it with truth.

Right, epistemology is a kick in the sack sometimes. You can never be guaranteed you are making the genuine true observation.

 

[Otherright]

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:sw:

Well, it doesn't have to be all that. They are just completely divergent ideas. While the West believes in a permanent, fixed soul, the east does not. They have the atman.

 

[waitasec]

Right, epistemology is a kick in the sack sometimes. You can never be guaranteed you are making the genuine true observation.

i learned a new word today...
: hamster :

 

[Copernicus]

But possibilities are just possibilities.
There is always the possibility that someday an elephant will fall from the sky while i am walking at the street and smash my body. That is possible, but if i take that into consideration i will have to live my whole inside my home. We can't possibly D) consider every possibility as relevant.

I'm sorry to tell you this, Koldo, but your home will probably not protect you from that elephant. I can easily imagine it dropping through your roof.

 

[Koldo]

I'm sorry to tell you this, Koldo, but your home will probably not protect you from that elephant. I can easily imagine it dropping through your roof.

Argh, so true.
And i can't even move on to somewhere safe as there is always the possibility of the elephant falling on my head while at it. I am doomed. :cover:

 

[Otherright]

i learned a new word today...
: hamster :

You just learned that word today?

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Can one imagine being dead or can one imagine not being born. The answer is it is impossible, because there was in fact 13.7 billion years from the big bang to one's birth and you were no aware of one nanosecond of it. It is as those 13.7 billion years did not subjectively exist. Being dead and not being born are both subjectively identical.

 

[Otherright]

Can one imagine being dead or can one imagine not being born. The answer is it is impossible, because there was in fact 13.7 billion years from the big bang to one's birth and you were no aware of one nanosecond of it. It is as those 13.7 billion years did not subjectively exist. Being dead and not being born are both subjectively identical.

Supposedly 13.7 billion years, if you have faith in that conclusion.

 

[839311]

I believe in impermanence. When I die otherright ceases to exist, because the ego of otherright is attached to my body. It is influenced by my genetics and upbringing. It dies when this body dies, so I technically won't be coming back.

The consciousness, awareness, and intuition I possess, on the other hand, will merge once again with the stream of consciousness, and be recycled moving on to another ego. The "me" will be gone, the "me" without me will be back.

It won't have my memories, it won't know I was there. It will have a new ego to conquer influenced by a new set of genetics and upbringing.

The is an idea that I accept as true if option 3 is true. You wouldn't need the exact same scenario to be reborn, just a similar enough one so that your consciousness is booted up in whatever being it inhabits.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Supposedly 13.7 billion years, if you have faith in that conclusion.

I just say never feel concerned about being permanently dead, because it is impossible to know what it feels like anyway - even for an eternity. With no sensation of silence, boredom or darkness or coldness at any stage.

 

[839311]

no no no. :no:
glimpse of a certain speculation, not truth. stop calling it that because you don't know, do you.

Depends what were talking about. Im obviously not speculating when I say our part of reality is either a closed or open system. Those are the only two options. So, yes, one of them is true. In your face! :danana:

speculate all you want, just don't confuse it with truth.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[waitasec]

Depends what were talking about. Im obviously not speculating when I say our part of reality is either a closed or open system. Those are the only two options. So, yes, one of them is true. In your face! :danana:



Thanks for the tip.

no no no.

what are you saying? there is only 1 way to speculate?

 

[Otherright]

Depends what were talking about. Im obviously not speculating when I say our part of reality is either a closed or open system. Those are the only two options. So, yes, one of them is true. In your face! :danana:

Do you mean Thermodynamically?

 

[Otherright]

See, you've got us both confused.