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Faith in permanent death
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Otherright
Otherright
See, when you said open and closed system, I think thermodynamics. Is that what you are talking about?
I mean that in a closed system nothing gets in and nothing gets out, whereas in an open system we could potentially have energy and matter move from one side of infinity to another.
Otherright
Otherright
You mean through non-locality and wave function collapses.
waitasec
Veteran Member
ok...
are you saying speculating the idea of a closed system is a lie and the open one is truth?
I mean through all of the ways that are possible for things to go from place to place.
Otherright
Otherright
Do you mean through non-locality and wave function collapses? Are you saying that is how the energy moves across the universe? I mean you are right if you are saying that.
But an open system survives, thermodynamically, from adding more energy to the system. In this sense, entropy can be countered, to a degree.
Man, I don't know where you are going with this.
Help me to help you. I really want to understand.
But an open system survives, thermodynamically, from adding more energy to the system. In this sense, entropy can be countered, to a degree.
Man, I don't know where you are going with this.
Help me to help you. I really want to understand.
waitasec
Veteran Member
please don't be disrespectful...i'm trying to understand what you're saying.
can you tell me what you mean, please....pretty please?
Otherright
Otherright
OK, OK. I think I see where you are headed. Are you saying that because of non-locality and thermodynamic principles, we can assume there is an afterlife?
I honestly am wondering as to whether or not your on drugs or alcohol. It is friday after all
. But Ill give you the benefit of the doubt. I can't understand what your saying some of the time, thats all.
You are making it unnecessarily complicated. It doesn't matter how the energy moves from place to place, as long as it does. Maybe there are many ways that energy gets around that we dont even know of. Who knows. We don't need to get technical, its not necessary for our purposes.
No, Im not telling you to assume there is an afterlife lol.
waitasec
Veteran Member
I honestly am wondering as to whether or not your on drugs or alcohol. It is friday after all
I can't understand what your saying some of the time, thats all.
lets start from the beginning:
you said
who's ignoring the possibilities of a closed system?
what i'm getting, is if one doesn't speculate an open system then that means they are not searching for truth...
see i'm confused because you seem to apply truth to the open system, when it's just as inconclusive as the closed system...
Whoever is.
Well you can try, although I don't want to because we don't have enough information to go on and there are far too many unknown variables in this case.
Im not sure what you mean by apply truth to the open system, or in what way the closed system is inconclusive.
Otherright
Otherright
I care how energy gets there. That is a very big thing for me.
What was our purpose again. I gotta go read the original post.
waitasec
Veteran Member
atheists? is that what you mean?
i'm just trying to figure out what you mean...
what did you mean by truth when you said:
considering what? both possibilities of an open and closed system...?
Otherright
Otherright
839311 (geez get a name), your 4th point can be inferred by those properties we discussed earlier. That is how the energy gets from one place to the other.
Now, you can view it as pseudo-science, but I tend to think of it as inferred. This is how Buddhism looks at the view of science and their spirituality.
Now as far as consciousness goes, there are theories, and they are theories, but sound theories that say that it is an emergent property that is produced from a quantum level through superpositions. This is called Orch-OR and it has been gaining ground over the past 15 years. It relies on non-locality and entanglement for the collapse of the wave function in superpositions.
Now, you can view it as pseudo-science, but I tend to think of it as inferred. This is how Buddhism looks at the view of science and their spirituality.
Now as far as consciousness goes, there are theories, and they are theories, but sound theories that say that it is an emergent property that is produced from a quantum level through superpositions. This is called Orch-OR and it has been gaining ground over the past 15 years. It relies on non-locality and entanglement for the collapse of the wave function in superpositions.
I can see that. Im gonna guess that you have a broad background in physics? Im not as interested, personally, just because the objectives of my life generally keep my focus in other areas. If I could, Id get myself a PhD in physics, geology, chemistry, biology, astronomy, and any other ology and onomy, with a few exceptions like astrology. Too bad I dont have the time. Unless...
Otherright
Otherright
Actually, I'm a writer. Mostly good science fiction (read **** that can really be done) and contemporary fantasy. But I've been known to do projects in PnP RPGS (28 of them to be exact), the occasional journalistic essay every now and again.
I majored in philosophy and theology. But yeah, I read a lot of physics, and math, and linguistics. You gotta do research for those projects.
Oh and I have this thing for law. Its often said, there are two paths for the philosopher, law school or hippy. Let's just say, later on I became the hippy.