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Faith is being sure...

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Ignatius A

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Twilight Hue said:
Of course I did. Christianity among other religions do it all the time because I believed it regardless of the inability to prove and substantiate my beliefs.

So faith became the centerpiece, and made into something noble and virtuous sounding when in reality , faith isn't something I'd recommend people to rely on as if it's absolutely true and reliable without recourse.
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If you used your faith to fabricate things you had a perverse view of faith. I have no need to fabricate anything with my faith. Faith is very efficacious at dealing with the very real issues of life.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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jimb said:
People rely on their own cognition instead of trusting God. I find that very tragic.
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Some people rely upon what is in the Bible rather than thinking for themselves. I find that very tragic.
Trusting the Bible is not trusting God, it is trusting the unnamed authors who wrote the Bible.
No thanks.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Nakosis said:
Trust but verify.
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That all depends upon who or what you are trusting....

I will only trust a man on a dating site if he has been verified, but God cannot be verified.
All we can ever have is evidence for God, but there is no verifiable evidence for God, which is why the existence of God is not an established fact.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened.
Objective evidence definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: https://www.google.com/search

There are many kinds of evidence, and not all evidence is verifiable. Verifiable evidence is proof because it establishes something as a fact.

Fact: something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
fact
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
jimb said:
Basically, I agree with you about being on the potter's wheel. However, there are quite a few people on this forum who attack me and others for our faith (as opposed to discussing the issue). To me, that is from Satan, so they are spiritually dead.
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Some attack without discussing the issue but some do discuss the issue.

If people attack without a reason that is just their ego, their insistent self. I don't believe it is from Satan, because I don't believe in Satan.
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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Ignatius A said:
No there's far more evidence for God than for bigfoot.
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So faith requires evidence then?

Bigfoot has more evidence than god, We have video footage, foot prints, photos, sound recordings, nests have been found unlike for god.

Like your evidence for god we have stories of ancient peoples telling about them, we also have personal encounters with them, books written about them.
 
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Ignatius A

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Sgt. Pepper said:
In your opinion, of course, because otherwise you could run afoul of the rule prohibiting members from stating their personal opinion and belief as a definitive matter of fact. Naturally, as a devout theist, you wouldn't violate the rules that you agreed to follow when you joined the forum. Am I right?
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Oh course it's my opinion and few people hold opinions they think are wrong. Btw are you the cops? If so I'll be careful not to incriminate myself around you. I figure since the mods have addressed me in the past when I went "afoul" of the rules ill wait for them to address me if i run afoul again. Another forum I'm on doesn't allow poster to play mod.
 
jimb

jimb

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Twilight Hue said:
No. Been down that road.

I don't need to embellish or fabricate the natural world here beyond what it actually brings to the table.

What I practice now can even be barely called a religion. In fact, I doubt it is one actually aside from the philosophical gleenings I entertain.

All in all , it's been a wonderful, at times a terrifying thing to allow the natural world call the shots on its own terms as I stay silent and observe and listen without my input getting in the way of the actual picture.

Can't ask for a better 'cathedral' or 'priest' than the natural universe itself on its own terms and its something I can actually see and experience without the need to pretend or fabricate past any of it.
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And just who do you think created the natural world?

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Romans 1:20a, "Ever since the creation of the world God’s eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been seen and understood through the things God has made."

I have spent much of my life in the outdoors and have been truly blessed many, many times. It was only after I became a Christian that I understood where that connection came from.
 
jimb

jimb

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Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
So faith requires evidence then?

Bigfoot has more evidence than god, We have video footage, foot prints, photos, sound recordings, nests have been found unlike for god.

Like your evidence for god we have stories of ancient peoples telling about them, we also have personal encounters with them, books written about them.
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Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see."

Faith does not require evidence. If it did, it would not be faith.
 
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jimb

jimb

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Ignatius A said:
No there's far more evidence for God than for bigfoot.
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Romans 1:19-20a, "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. Ever since the creation of the world God’s eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been seen and understood through the things God has made."
 
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Trailblazer said:
I agree, so the hundred dollar question is: Is the Bible evidence that God exists or that anything in it is true?
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Well there are a lot of things in the Bible that are true, I think. As a historical document, the Bible gives some insight on early human history in the Lavant. This is similar to the Volsunga Saga which gives some insight on historical events surrounding the Volsungs in ancient Scandinavia. Just like the Volsunga Saga, the Bible also details events involving magic, so I'm skeptical that the WHOLE book is true
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

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jimb said:
Romans 1:19-20a, "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. Ever since the creation of the world God’s eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been seen and understood through the things God has made."
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This is evidence the bible is not true. It is not plain to me god is needed to create the world.
 
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