Faith is necessary for Science to function

[mnemonicTonic]

Existence doesn't need our perception to be, therefore the mind cannot be existence itself since the perception is irrelevant.

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.

Nothing is absolutely necessary. Existence just is.

Again you assert existence is real and then say nothing is absolutely necessary. You have an inconsistency in your logic flow.

Necessary and sufficient condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[riley2112]

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.



Again you assert existence is real and then say nothing is absolutely necessary. You have an inconsistency in your logic flow.

Necessary and sufficient condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have been following this thread or at least I have conceived that I perceived it. I have even found most of the web cites that you are getting this stuff from. Here is how I see it. If it quacks like a duck , and it walks like a duck , if it looks like a duck , then it really does not make a difference how I image it or conceive it , it is more than likely a duck.
Sorry :sorry1: Had to get my two cents in . Please carry on . :sarcastic

 

[idav]

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.
No we don't need a perceiving mind ie perception to be real.

Again you assert existence is real and then say nothing is absolutely necessary. You have an inconsistency in your logic flow.

Necessary and sufficient condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Necessity comes from our mind which is not necessary for existence to be. When trillions of beings have existed before us it is rather egotistical to believe that existence didn't come until your mind could perceive it. Existence itself doesn't need any sort of necessity to be conceived by us.

 

[mnemonicTonic]

So both reality and existence rest on the other side of a dividing line, in a world that is inaccessible to "the conceived world," which is us. How do we know that reality and existence are there, in that place?

We cannot know.

How do we know we haven't just conceived that they are there? How do we know we haven't just conceived that there is a divider between it and us.

That's the thing, we are just conceiving it. :beach:

 

[Photonic]

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.



Again you assert existence is real and then say nothing is absolutely necessary. You have an inconsistency in your logic flow.

Necessary and sufficient condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But you don't exist, there is no such thing as a logical inconsistency.

 

[mnemonicTonic]

Please don't misquote me. I did not type that.

Necessity does comes from our mind and the concept of it would not apply to an absolutely-necessary-entity. That's why I can only guess on it's accord with logic, not it's nature.

 

[waitasec]

Please don't misquote me. I did not type that.

you said this...

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.

the line after was obviously a response to your statement.

chill out, you are only conceiving this after all....

 

[riley2112]

you said this...




the line after was obviously a response to your statement.

chill out, you are only conceiving this after all....

love it :clap

 

[mnemonicTonic]

But you don't exist, there is no such thing as a logical inconsistency.

True because logic is conceived and not perceived. But I have no conceived-state logical inconsistencies, I just have a paradox.

 

[mnemonicTonic]

you said this...

the line after was obviously a response to your statement.

chill out, you are only conceiving this after all....

The first line was a mistake on my part. I meant to put this image, but got distracted.

 

[waitasec]

The first line was a mistake on my part. I meant to put this image, but got distracted.

as i said this statement:

No we don't need a perceiving mind ie perception to be real.

was obviously not yours... it was idav responding to your...

Where did I argue that existence needs our perception to be real? We need a perceiving mind for us to be real.

it's a common mistake made in haste all we need to do is look at your original post to confirm...



but then again, is this mistake something you conceived or is this a perceived mistake...what is the reality here?

 

[mnemonicTonic]

Does anyone here have anymore arguments at hand if not, I'll recap what was already discussed and proven:

[x]"acknowledged atheism" is a religion.
[x]Faith is necessary for Science to function
[x]we inherently concieve, and not perceive reality, therefore we're universally-subjective-entities.
[x]a concieved-state of God's accord would be defined as an absolutely-necessary-entity (ANE), the nature is still unknown.
[x]We're a mutable-entity every moment of our conceived-existence.
[x]When you evoke "cogito ergo sum", you become a different you-entity the next moment. When you realize it you're gone!
[x] With our conceived-logic we don't even exist, because we're universally-subjective-entities (not solipsism because our mind's don't even exist).

:newyear: Let's celebrate our absurdity!

 

[9Westy9]

Does anyone here have anymore arguments at hand if not, I'll recap what was already discussed and proven:

[x]"acknowledged atheism" is a religion.
[x]Faith is necessary for Science to function
[x]we inherently concieve, and not perceive reality, therefore we're universally-subjective-entities.
[x]a concieved-state of God's accord would be defined as an absolutely-necessary-entity (ANE), the nature is still unknown.
[x]We're a mutable-entity every moment of our conceived-existence.
[x]When you evoke "cogito ergo sum", you become a different you-entity the next moment. When you realize it you're gone!
[x] With our conceived-logic we don't even exist, because we're universally-subjective-entities (not solipsism because our mind's don't even exist).

:newyear: Let's celebrate our absurdity!

what do you mean by acknowledged atheism?

 

[Orias]

Does anyone here have anymore arguments at hand if not, I'll recap what was already discussed and proven:

[x]"acknowledged atheism" is a religion.
[x]Faith is necessary for Science to function
[x]we inherently concieve, and not perceive reality, therefore we're universally-subjective-entities.
[x]a concieved-state of God's accord would be defined as an absolutely-necessary-entity (ANE), the nature is still unknown.
[x]We're a mutable-entity every moment of our conceived-existence.
[x]When you evoke "cogito ergo sum", you become a different you-entity the next moment. When you realize it you're gone!
[x] With our conceived-logic we don't even exist, because we're universally-subjective-entities (not solipsism because our mind's don't even exist).

:newyear: Let's celebrate our absurdity!

Heheh.

I guess to have trust in faith you have to be faithful because to be faithful you must trust in what words describe. Unless you created these words then you wouldn't speak with just faith but with certainty, Hoobla Garfdankin Shmegal Me! After all words do reflect upon how much we trust ourselves.

Unless you believe in everything everyone tells you, you always speak with faith. If you don't then you would not trust the words that are spoken.

:foot:

 

[Orias]

Krii Lun Aus!

 

[unitedunder]

Yes, its absolutely true that faith is necessary for latest scientific inventions to work. Just because of faith, we are able to visit Moon and Mars.

 

[Photonic]

Yes, its absolutely true that faith is necessary for latest scientific inventions to work. Just because of faith, we are able to visit Moon and Mars.

To use faith in that context is like calling your biological father and mother God.

Stretch it too far and it loses meaning.

 

[thebigpicture]

perceive = be aware
conceive = imagine

MnemonicTonic, please bear with me; I'm trying to grasp what it is you believe about reality. By your definitions of conceive and perceive, you are saying that people are imagining reality instead of being aware of it. Is that correct? If so, my next question is -- do you think there is a definite reality?

 

[mnemonicTonic]

what do you mean by acknowledged atheism?

An intellectual commitment or an action concerning belief towards atheism. If you say, I'm an atheist, that would be a misnomer of the word usage. You should instead say, "I am an acknowledged atheist".

If you're still confused refer to:
post-2739257

 

[mnemonicTonic]

MnemonicTonic, please bear with me; I'm trying to grasp what it is you believe about reality. By your definitions of conceive and perceive, you are saying that people are imagining reality instead of being aware of it. Is that correct? If so, my next question is -- do you think there is a definite reality?

I don't know.