"Faith is the adult version of the childhood game 'Let's Pretend'"

[omega2xx]

I edited the post you quoted and added the evidence of your blatant dishonesty and showed your hypocrisy for all to see.

I notice you present absolutely no evidence to back your bold empty claims.


Have a nice day.

When you wake up get back to me.

You are not here to discuss the subject, you just want to insult those who know more than you do.

 

[omega2xx]

Could you please correct this so I know exactly what you mean?

"Faith is the assurance of things hope HORK the conviction of things not seen."

What is hork?

Oh nvm. I found a source online.

What is the definition of faith?

“Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” Simply put, the biblical definition of faith is “trusting in something you cannot explicitly prove.”

What is the equivalence of "hoped for" and "the conviction of things not seen?"

I see some parallels to the OP but in fairness, it's not an exact comparison.

You ask for the definition. Thanks for interpreting my irrational typing.

There is no outward proof of God. God require us to have faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb 11:6)

If Christians did not have an inner proof, they would give up Christianity.

 

[pearl]

was recently told, "Faith is the adult version of the childhood game 'Let's Pretend'". In what way, if any, is that true? In what way, if any, is that false

Its true for some because they chose not to grow up in their faith, as they have done in other areas of their lives. There is no learned ability to understand on more than one level, that of a child.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I was recently told, "Faith is the adult version of the childhood game 'Let's Pretend'". In what way, if any, is that true? In what way, if any, is that false?

There are many types of faith.... but saving faith I would say is leaping toward the light
not a facade, not a game, not a shot in the dark, not cross my fingers and hope to die

Jesus said judgement boils down to loving the light rather than the darkness in John 3
and with the new birth there is a thirst and love of truth to leap toward the light

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Correct, truth was already truth before anyone observed and declared it by faith.

Faith doesn't make something true. Faith is taking something as true even though you don't know if it is. You lack the objective facts to know it is true, or otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its true for some because they chose not to grow up in their faith, as they have done in other areas of their lives.

It can just as easily be said that many just never outgrew their faith in a personal deity like they did the other myths and fantasies of childhood, such as Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Kemosloby]

Faith doesn't make something true. Faith is taking something as true even though you don't know if it is. You lack the objective facts to know it is true, or otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

Faith does not make true what we by faith take as true, It was already true and by faith we recognize it as truth. No we don't know for a fact, anymore than you know how the cards will fall in poker, but by faith we lay our money down.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Faith does not make true what we by faith take as true, It was already true and by faith we recognize it as truth. No we don't know for a fact, anymore than you know how the cards will fall in poker, but by faith we lay our money down.

"by faith we recognize it as truth"

Well, at least you hope that is the case, but people have been known to be wrong about stuff and things from time to time.

 

[Kemosloby]

"by faith we recognize it as truth"

Well, at least you hope that is the case, but people have been known to be wrong about stuff and things from time to time.

But the truth comes from God who is never wrong from time to time.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

But the truth comes from God who is never wrong from time to time.

I didn't say God; I said people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It was already true and by faith we recognize it as truth.

That can be said of all religions. Of all faiths. Of course if you have faith you are going to think it's true. That is why you have faith.

No we don't know for a fact, anymore than you know how the cards will fall in poker,

If you know how to count cards, you will know how the cards will fall. If you're good at calculating odds, manipulating the pot, and knowing when to play and when to fold, it doesn't really even always matter how the cards fall.

but by faith we lay our money down.

I don't know about you, but when I'm playing poker, I don't make an important play until I have crunched some numbers in my head, analyzed my opponents behaviors, ran some scenarios in my head, giving my opponents another good look, and then crunching some more numbers. I tend to win. Not always. But usually and often. And I don't do this by having faith in the cards, but rather by utilizing the tools at my disposal.

 

[Kemosloby]

That can be said of all religions. Of all faiths. Of course if you have faith you are going to think it's true. That is why you have faith.

If you know how to count cards, you will know how the cards will fall. If you're good at calculating odds, manipulating the pot, and knowing when to play and when to fold, it doesn't really even always matter how the cards fall.

I don't know about you, but when I'm playing poker, I don't make an important play until I have crunched some numbers in my head, analyzed my opponents behaviors, ran some scenarios in my head, giving my opponents another good look, and then crunching some more numbers. I tend to win. Not always. But usually and often. And I don't do this by having faith in the cards, but rather by utilizing the tools at my disposal.

Right, and when someone walks on water and is raised from the dead, the odds are good that it's the Son of God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right, and when someone walks on water and is raised from the dead, the odds are good that it's the Son of God.

You're going to have to prove to me that anyone did factually walk on water and rose from the dead. I have never seen or learned of anything to compel me to believe either can be done.

 

[Kemosloby]

You're going to have to prove to me that anyone did factually walk on water and rose from the dead. I have never seen or learned of anything to compel me to believe either can be done.

Why we're compelled to believe he was the Son of God is in part because of the lack of other people walking on water and coming back from the grave.

 

[psychoslice]

Yes I believe it is true, we never truly grow up, our security blanket becomes something else as we grow up, and that can be many things, such as religion.

 

[Deidre]

To a person who believes in God, for example...you don't feel like you're pretending, you actually believe that a god exists, and loves you. It goes beyond what perhaps a holy text might read, but what you feel in your heart, or perhaps through a faith experience. Let's pretend is more like you know that whatever you're pretending about ...isn't real and could never be real, if this makes sense. The best way I can think to explain it.

 

[The Master Motive]

I was recently told, "Faith is the adult version of the childhood game 'Let's Pretend'". In what way, if any, is that true? In what way, if any, is that false?

I can see it as true, in a sense, because biblical scripture similarly states of one having a child-like faith.
I can see it as false, in a sense, because once one has reached into a higher level of consciousness through faith it is no longer needed to substitute for knowing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why we're compelled to believe he was the Son of God is in part because of the lack of other people walking on water and coming back from the grave.

Outside of the Bible, there is no evidence that such things ever happened, and we would never expect such a thing to be possible.

I wouldn't hold up Pascal as a model of someone of faith considering he basically summed up his faith as nothing more than a "Wager," an insurance policy on a gamble, to have faith and believe because it's better to have faith, die, and be right, because if you're wrong you'll never know, than to not have faith, die, and be wrong. But faith in whom? Zeus? Set? Amaterasu? Thor? They all have their own self-contained "proofs," and Pascal fails horribly because he fails to realize that we have come up with so many different gods and religions that there is no possible way to have this "insurance" of his taken out on all possible outcomes.

 

[arthra]

I was recently told, "Faith is the adult version of the childhood game 'Let's Pretend'". In what way, if any, is that true? In what way, if any, is that false?

If you knew someone and trusted them you would have "faith" that they will come through.. You trust them...you know something about them. Similarly if you've read the scriptures and been around believers who are trustworthy and have proven themselves to you and are examples you have faith in them. It's not really a childhood game.

You love your wife and have built a family together .. you trust her and have faith in her... It's not a game.

Let's look at some definitions of "faith" -

complete trust or confidence in someone or something...allegiance to duty or a person....fidelity to one's promises...

and the above definitions to me also imply a "covenant". If you break your covenant you have "broken faith". That's not a game.

An example from the Writings:

Faith is a virtue, and treachery is a disgrace to humanity.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 73)

...this is not a game.

 

[pearl]

I can see it as true, in a sense, because biblical scripture similarly states of one having a child-like faith.

Scripture also states " When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."