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Far-rightists on this site?

Should there be subforums for the far-right on RF?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 60.7%
  • No

    Votes: 11 39.3%

  • Total voters
    28

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
So if I, say, wanted a forum in which I could celebrate the glories of the British Empire without it turning into a debate, could I have that? I'm not asking for that, it's just a hypothetical.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Why, if I may ask?

As I said here:

The staff discussed the idea of a nationalist forum a while back and decided not to create said forum. The main reason was that having nationalists from different countries in the same forum could cause too much argumentation and heat for a discussion forum.

We have the Conservative Only section, but if there's enough demand for another right-wing section of a specific type, the staff could discuss the idea as well.

It's safe to say that a forum explicitly for fascism is almost surely out of the question, though.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
So if I, say, wanted a forum in which I could celebrate the glories of the British Empire without it turning into a debate, could I have that? I'm not asking for that, it's just a hypothetical.
Out of curiosity, what would keep it from becoming a debate?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
So if I, say, wanted a forum in which I could celebrate the glories of the British Empire without it turning into a debate, could I have that? I'm not asking for that, it's just a hypothetical.

That would depend on what you meant by the "glories of the British Empire." If it were to celebrate the inventions made by the British Empire, for instance, then sure.

The forum would still need to have an appropriate (in light of the RF rules) purpose, though.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Out of curiosity, what would keep it from becoming a debate?
If it were able to be posted in a place, such as the forum SF is asking for, where debate would not be allowed from, say, liberals.
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think different nationalists will necessarily fight with each other.

The staff deemed that it was too big of a possibility--that it would get in the way of the "no debate" part of an "Only" forum.

The different communists have bickered with each other, though, and no one cared (non-Marxists vs. Marxists). Why the seeming double standard?

When or if reported, debate posts in discussion-only forums are reviewed by the staff. The staff don't see everything, hence the need for the report feature.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If it were able to be posted in a place, such as the forum SF is asking for, where debate would not be allowed from, say liberals.
That sounds like Conservative Only to me.

Sure, far right has somewhat different a perspective than the average conservative. But asking staff to protect that perspective from debate... maybe it is just me, but it just sounds wrong, so very wrong indeed.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
That sounds like Conservative Only to me.

Sure, far right has somewhat different a perspective than the average conservative. But asking staff to protect that perspective from debate... maybe it is just me, but it just sounds wrong, so very wrong indeed.
But letting Marxists call for the destruction of the State and national identity is fine? As well as those of them who want to destroy religion too?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But letting Marxists call for the destruction of the State and national identity is fine?

In my personal opinion? Yes, it very much is.

I don't think there is a valid parallel there.

Just because the two situations are taken by some to be representative extremes of a certain dualistic categorization (one that is not rock-solidly objetive to begin with, no less) does not make both equally valid from an ethical perspective or even from a purely political perspective.

Perhaps more to the point, it does not mean that there is comparable condition nor justification for taking the effort of keeping debates in check, either.

But maybe I am just the wrong person to ask. Valuing nationalities is just not something that I find natural or easy to understand.

Nor am I all that sympathetic to the idea of DIRs and similar privileged spaces, either.

I am not even sure that it is not a direct contradiction to ask for a protected space for what is IMO an inherently litigious mindset.

As well as those of them who want to destroy religion too?

Yes, for similar reasons.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It would ultimately be up to the mods. Last I checked though, there was a score of unused and neglected sub forums already.
And if the Communist board can get by without any major arguments, I have hopes that a Nationalist board might work. But, then again, I did drop out of the LHP board because it is loaded with a bunch of arguing and bickering, so maybe a Nationalist board won't work?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Nor am I all that sympathetic to the idea of DIRs and similar privileged spaces, either.
The DIRs, being "Discuss Individual Religion," were originally made so people could discuss their own religious views with other adherents without outsiders interfering and distracting people from the conversation of their religion.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Don't forget Marxists vs Marxists!
Regrettably, we probably are our own worst enemies, and always have been. Capitalist armies are one thing, but Trotsky and Stalin approaches are two completely other opposing dragons.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The DIRs, being "Discuss Individual Religion," were originally made so people could discuss their own religious views with other adherents without outsiders interfering and distracting people from the conversation of their religion.
Yes, that is the intent.

But creating a separate area is not the same as giving the people who post there the means and the willingness to discuss matters in a mutually respectful way.

Sharing a short label to describe their own idelogical or belief profiles is by itself no guarantee that such an ability can reasonably be expected.

Nor does it follow that it would be a good idea to burden staff with the task of pursuing such an environment for any and all groups that might want not to be distracted by outsiders. Some groups are inherently noisier than others, for various reasons.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
But letting Marxists call for the destruction of the State and national identity is fine? As well as those of them who want to destroy religion too?

Conservatives can also call for ending immigration, countering atheism (non-violently), and establishing strong national identities. Both conservatives and liberals can express their beliefs as long as neither group crosses the line into trolling others, an example of which would be if a conservative said, "Black people should be banned from the government" or a liberal said, "Religious conservatives are terrorists," etc.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Conservatives can also call for ending immigration, countering atheism (non-violently), and establishing strong national identities. Both conservatives and liberals can express their beliefs as long as neither group crosses the line into trolling others, an example of which would be if a conservative said, "Black people should be banned from the government" or a liberal said, "Religious conservatives are terrorists," etc.
So basically we should just post in the Conservative Only subforum, is what you're saying?
 
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