Parenthetically, despite intense activity in the US Civil Rights and Anti-War movements, there was and is a great deal about the U.S. that I like as well. I am a Zionist and a patriot. Your question is as ignorant and irrelevant as it is insulting.
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Fatah-Hamas pact - good or bad? Is Netanyahu justified in suspending peace talks?
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WonderWho
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Actually, I was trying not to be insulting, since you used the first sentence of a paragraph I wrote to distract into human rights. Here is the paragraph again,
"The Israeli government has been far too generous. They have bent over backwards to make peace which has always been refused. Including offers of most of the West Bank.
The Israelis have released hundreds of murderers, many of whom go right back to murder. I don't know why the Israelis have become so blind.Maybe now they realise."
I was opining on the OP, which asked
"Is Israeli PM Netanyahu justified in suspending the peace talks with Palestine?"
Now you have adequately expressed your disdain of me,perhaps you would answer the OP.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Current PLO Goals
1. Create a state in the 1967 lines
2. Get Israel to accept the 1948 refugees and their descendents
3. Proclaim yourself as the representative of the Arabs in Israel
4. Wait a bit till the Israeli Arabs outvote the Israeli Jews
5. As this happens merge both states through elections into a bi-national state
6. Arab majority achieved
7. kick the Jews out
Current Hamas goals
1. Shoot rockets and mortars
2. Perhaps you get some Israelis with it
3. Either way Israel is about to retaliate so you at least got some Arabs dead
4. Back to step one
Bonus goal: Hope that the Border wall goes away to send your suicide squads into Israel
Current Islamic Jihad goals
1. Get money and weapons from Iran
2. Shoot rockets and mortars into Israel
3. Perhaps you get some Israelis with it
4. Either way Israel is about to retaliate so you at least got some Arabs dead
5. Somehow take over the Gaza strip
Bonus goal: Hope that the Border wall goes away to send your suicide squads into Israel
1. Create a state in the 1967 lines
2. Get Israel to accept the 1948 refugees and their descendents
3. Proclaim yourself as the representative of the Arabs in Israel
4. Wait a bit till the Israeli Arabs outvote the Israeli Jews
5. As this happens merge both states through elections into a bi-national state
6. Arab majority achieved
7. kick the Jews out
Current Hamas goals
1. Shoot rockets and mortars
2. Perhaps you get some Israelis with it
3. Either way Israel is about to retaliate so you at least got some Arabs dead
4. Back to step one
Bonus goal: Hope that the Border wall goes away to send your suicide squads into Israel
Current Islamic Jihad goals
1. Get money and weapons from Iran
2. Shoot rockets and mortars into Israel
3. Perhaps you get some Israelis with it
4. Either way Israel is about to retaliate so you at least got some Arabs dead
5. Somehow take over the Gaza strip
Bonus goal: Hope that the Border wall goes away to send your suicide squads into Israel
these are actions and goals
why you did not post zoinistes goals and actions against the Arabs and Muslims and Christians inside Israel or in West Bank or Gaza or Lebanon ?!!!!
Tumah
Veteran Member
No problem:
Zionist Goals:
- Convince Muslims inside Israel or West Bank or Gaza or Lebanon to stop trying to blow us up, so we can finally live peacefully.
I don't know why you add Arabs and Christians. There are Druze and Christians in the Israeli army. They live peacefully. If I recall the only argument I've seen with the Druze community recently is that Israel wants to give them homes to live comfortably and they want to stay living in their tents. And Israel is working on a deal giving certain Biblical sites to the Vatican.
The only ones who have a problem are the Muslims that are here. And its not even all of them. Abu Gosh is a growing Arab city here that is affluent and peaceful. Personally, there are a few Muslim workers who work on my building, that are always pleasant to us. One of them always asks how me in Hebrew, "How are things?" And I always say back to him "Alhamdulilah."
Until the last intifada, Israel provided jobs for something like 30% of the Muslims in the West Bank and Gaza. The Israel electric company is owed 1.4 billion shekels from the East Jerusalem and PA electric companies... and Israel doesn't allow them to cut the power.
The fighting that is going on is only self-harming for the PA and their ilk. Innocent Palestinian civilians have to be cut off from their livelihood, so that Israel can protect its own citizens. And then the PA can harness that animosity to raise anti-Israel sentiments.
Those Muslims that are more interested in living peacefully together have already managed to do so. What's everyone else's excuse?
there is abuse and distinction against Muslims and Chritains inside Israel , in their Holly places .
this link spoke a little about the goals of zionists
Greater Israel: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East | Global Research
I've yet to see a good idea come from either Fatah or Hamas,Fatah has been a fail so together with Hamas they could become epic.
Would there be any point at all in Israel going to peace talks,i don't think Netanyahu is unjustified in suspending talks because its just a complete waste of time with Hamas involved IMO.
Tumah
Veteran Member
there is another point said: if Palestinians want peace, why Palistinians always want back terrorists?
It's not to send them back out to blow up more Israelis?
peace of breaking deals ? that's peace of **** .
to be fair some are resistence and some are terrorism
I believe they facing the terrorism of racist regime , so they treating abuse of terrorism of Israel racist regime by terrorism (killing inncents by killing innocents)
eye for eye , the world will be blind .
that's wrong .
Check this out,i really think its a waste of time,even Hamas agree in their charter
Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."
Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:
"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."
So realistically Hamas would need to drop their own charter to be able to talk peace,Fatah watered theirs down years ago but I think it would take an awful lot of water for the Hamas charter if you know what I mean.
Have you been to a checkpoint recently?
Tumah
Veteran Member
Yup. It's the only way to get home.
it's seems you mixed between the concepts in Islam
the verse of Quran you posted , had no relation with peace with others
Hamas beliefs that Israeli breaks the deals ,they don't keep their word .
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
When Zionists talk about terrorism, they would do well to remember their own:
Irgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lehi (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Irgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lehi (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Theres no confusion,this is article 13 of the Hamas charter/covenant,hopefully you would have noticed this part:
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hamas has made it abundantly clear in both the past and the present that it's main goal is the destruction of Israel as a country, and an attempt to shift the blame as you have done above isn't going to change that. If you support them, you are simply backing terrorists that conduct their assaults on innocent civilians, as Hamas has launched over 7000 missiles and mortars against civilian targets in Israel over the last decade.
Accuatly the 7000 missiles are not efficace , as the Israeli bombs and missiles ...etc
so you blame Hamas for aiming innocent ,how about the Israeli army ?
do you have statics about missiles and bombs of Israeli army that killed Palestinians and Leboness innocents ?
I remember in war of 2006 the Israeli Army intentionly aimed the civilians to force Hezboallah to stop launching rockets !!!!
so the Israeli army did not distingue between militians and civilians
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The above is an "interesting" rewriting of the facts. Common sense should tell one that if Israel fully intended to target civilians that the body counts would have been astronomically higher than what it they turned out to be. Imagine what would have been the carnage if Israel had launched back into Gaza with over 7000 missiles and mortars instead of invading as they did.
Secondly, when the IDF went into southern Lebanon, they dropped leaflets written in Arabic warning that they would have to go in and that there was going to be damage, thus giving people a chance to get out. With some of the smaller villages, they broadcast using loudspeakers and gave residents a chance to leave.
Matter of fact, that invasion was a disaster for Israel as these cautionary steps gave time for the Hezbollah militants to retreat to the north and/or dress as civilians and mix in with the general population. I tend to think that Hezbollah now realizes that the IDF will not likely be as cautious next time, which is maybe why they've not been as aggressive lately. However, there's no way that they've transformed into a peaceniks.
BTW, the information I supplied above has been confirmed by multiple news sources from various countries, so you can Google verification for this actually quite easily.