Father alone is God

[Muffled]

Take away the flesh and the picture is more clear.

We could then say;

The Word is God and the Father is God and Christ is God. It is one God.

We can recall that when asked Peter conformed Jesus was Christ, it was this that the Church was to be built upon, as the flesh amounts to nothing, this is the name by which we are all saved.

We can then understand that Christ is brought forth, not born of flesh, in every age.

Regards Tony

I believe the flesh matters when it comes to revealing God to us since the flesh can speak the word of God directly to us, it can touch us with healing power and it can die for us.

 

[Muffled]

As usual, Trinitarian Christians can only back up their belief that Jesus is God through assumptions of what other people said rather than what Jesus himself said of who he is in their own Bible. In John 10:24, the Jews are asking Jesus “If you are the Christ, tell us plainly”, they ARE NOT asking him “If you are God, tell us plainly”.. and in response, Jesus answered, “I did tell you but you did not believe”. So, what was Jesus telling the Jews here?? He was CLEARLY telling them that he IS the Christ… so, where did you see Jesus was saying he is God ??? Talking about blind faith and muddled up minds !!

John 10:7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep

John 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep

John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

John 10:7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep

John 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep

John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.

Is there any reason why Jesus cannot have several titles? He is the Christ and also the savior and also that part of God which came to earth as a flesh and blood human. Why can't the Father and Son both be God.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

Then that would mean the angels are family - sons.
It would also mean that the holy spirit is not God, because the holy spirit is neither father, son, brother, sister, aunt, nephew... In fact the holy spirit is not an entity.
So every which way we look at it God is one - the father.The son is a god. The angels are gods. All a family of spirit beings, in heaven.

Exactly.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

There are so many verses that give you a problem with what you are teaching. I will give just a few.

Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28-29

If you have SEEN me you have SEEN the Father. John 14:7-9

The problem is you seem to think the Father and the Son are two separate individuals. Whereas in reality the Father is the eternal Spirit of God, and the Son is the fleshly body the Father took on to sacrifice for man's sin. The Father manifested himself in a fleshly body.

And yes, the Spirit is the God of that flesh. And the Spirit is also the Father of that flesh. But it is not two separate persons. It is as he said - I and my Father are one. The Father was the one dwelling in that body.

"The problem is you seem to think the Father and the Son are two separate individuals." They literally are.

"One" meaning in "in union" as a man and his wife are one, not literally the same person

"Whereas in reality the Father is the eternal Spirit of God," source?

"and the Son is the fleshly body the Father" the Son is in heaven now, he no longer has a fleshly body, where does that put his relationship with the father?

 

[filthyrottendirty]

The problem is that you think there is a "person" named God. This is not true. There is a family or group named God. In that family or team there are two persons. They are both separate persons but they are both in the family or group or team called God. ONE God One famiy. One team. Don't you see that a sports team is ONE team but many players. So why can't God be a team made up of several members.

This "God" person literally gives His name in the Bible to Moses and Jeremiah. There is a person named Yahweh or Jehovah who calls himself the Only True God. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe the flesh matters when it comes to revealing God to us since the flesh can speak the word of God directly to us, it can touch us with healing power and it can die for us.

Then after that few years?

Regards Tony

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

This "God" person literally gives His name in the Bible to Moses and Jeremiah. There is a person named Yahweh or Jehovah who calls himself the Only True God. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Yes, there is only one true God. Just like there is only one true Jones family consisting of several members. Still just one family and just one God.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Exactly.

Exactly.

Angels are spirit beings created by God but are not part of His family.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

"The problem is you seem to think the Father and the Son are two separate individuals." They literally are.

"One" meaning in "in union" as a man and his wife are one, not literally the same person

"Whereas in reality the Father is the eternal Spirit of God," source?

"and the Son is the fleshly body the Father" the Son is in heaven now, he no longer has a fleshly body, where does that put his relationship with the father?

Why aren't the father an son two separate individuals? In the example you gave, a husband and wife are two individual persons, why not a father and son?

 

[nPeace]

I've read all your responses to me and I think they all sound stupid and you're severely misguided, and I hope you see the truth one day.

We know Paul was speaking under inspiration, when he wrote 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4.
If I tried to put a veil over your eyes, I would have to work very hard to do that. I image it would be quite easy for a powerful spirit being to put a veil over a mere human's mind, so that that one becomes totally deluded... and if God let's that happen, without lifting a finger to help, because that person did not want the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12... that person might as well consider themselves as those described at Matthew 23:33.

.Consider...

Angels are spirit beings created by God but are not part of His family.

Trinitarians shoot themselves in the foot several times, and never feel it.

The Bible reads...

We can compare Job 1:6.
If the angels ae sons of God, and they are not part of God's family, whose family do Trinitarians say they belong? Surely they are not adopted.

Of course, they put a twist on Revelation 3:14, claiming that it says, Jesus is the beginning - as in the beginner of God's creation, but of course if they want to support their doctrine, Jesus can't have a beginning.
Why is Jesus a son?
Why does he have a father?
The holy spirit has neither. That's odd.

How is Jesus the firstborn of all creation, if it is not saying he was created? Was there a second born who created?
If Jesus was created then the argument that saying he and the father are one, means he is God, becomes...

We must remember though, that it requires patience to help lost-wandering-souls. They have been led astray, and it's possible they can find the path, if they don't prefer the pastures belonging to the stranger, and the thieves.

 

[ElishaElijah]

1. Jesus said The Doctrine of God is of God not himself

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
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2. Jesus said he came from God not of himself and his God and Father is God and Father of his disciples.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
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3. Jesus said he came in his Father's name /authority and also corrected a ruler who called him good because none is God save one that is God.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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4. The Father is greater so the Son is One in agreement with The Father.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
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5. Son said if not subservient to the works of the Father believe him not.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
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6. Disciples of Christ also one with Christ and The Father.

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-4, 14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Jesus is the image of the invisible God, no created being could be that, only God, any created being totally inadequate to be the exact representation.
Holy Spirit is God, in Acts lying to the Holy Spirit was lying to God. He is a person, the breath of God, His Spirit.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why can't the Father and Son both be God.

Just as Father and Son are titles so are Lord and God titles.
Jesus was asked a question and Jesus truthfully answers as to who he is at John 10:36 _______________
At Psalms 110 (KJV ) there are two (2) LORD/Lords mentioned:
* Please notice the LORD in ALL Upper-Case letters stands for LORD God ( Tetragrammaton )
* The other Lord (in some lower-case letters) stands for Lord Jesus ( No Tetragrammation applied )

 

[URAVIP2ME]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-4, 14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬..............

Yes, agree that pre-human heavenly Jesus was "IN" the beginning with God - Revelation 3:14 B
Jesus being "IN" the beginning, and according to Psalms 90:2 God was ' before ' the beginning being from everlasting.
So, only God was ' before ' the beginning whereas pre-human Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was ' before ' the beginning of anything.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

......................................We can compare Job 1:6.
If the angels are sons of God, and they are not part of God's family, whose family do Trinitarians say they belong? Surely they are not adopted.
Of course, they put a twist on Revelation 3:14, claiming that it says, Jesus is the beginning - as in the beginner of God's creation, but of course if they want to support their doctrine, Jesus can't have a beginning.
Why is Jesus a son?
Why does he have a father?
The holy spirit has neither. That's odd. .............................

As a pre-human heavenly Son, yes Jesus can have a beginning, or be "IN" the beginning.
God has No beginning according to Psalms 90:2
Not odd at all because God's spirit has No father or son - Psalms 104:30
God sends forth His spirit " IT " (neuter) according to Numbers 11:17; Numbers 11:25; Romans 8:16; Romans 8:26
Since God's spirit is Not a person but a neuter " it " then ' it ' has neither father nor son.
Note: newer King James versions have taken the liberty to change ' it ' to be he or him to try to give ' it ' gender.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, agree that pre-human heavenly Jesus was "IN" the beginning with God - Revelation 3:14 B
Jesus being "IN" the beginning, and according to Psalms 90:2 God was ' before ' the beginning being from everlasting.
So, only God was ' before ' the beginning whereas pre-human Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was ' before ' the beginning of anything.

Except that’s not what the Scripture says, Word was with God, Word was God, Word became flesh. All things created for Him and by Him. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Angels are spirit beings created by God but are not part of His family.

I find the angelic sons of God - Genesis 6:2-4 - are angelic spirit son persons crated by God and are part of this family.
However, the fallen-away angelic sons of God in Noah's day were (past tense) part of God family til they removed themselves.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Except that’s not what the Scripture says, Word was with God, Word was God, Word became flesh. All things created for Him and by Him. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

KJV omits the letter 'a' at John 1 but inserts the letter 'a' at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B.
So, even thought the same Greek grammar rule applies in both verses KJV made a difference.

Jesus as God's spokesman (Word) became flesh when his God sent pre-human heavenly Jesus to earth for us.
In other words, Jesus did Not send himself to Earth but his God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Yes, agree that pre-human heavenly Jesus was "IN" the beginning with God - Revelation 3:14 B
Jesus being "IN" the beginning, and according to Psalms 90:2 God was ' before ' the beginning being from everlasting.
So, only God was ' before ' the beginning whereas pre-human Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was ' before ' the beginning of anything.

But notice it says "the Word WAS God". The Word was not before or after God because the Word was one and the same with God. It's like saying the husband and wife were the Jones family. Not one before the other but both together in the one family. Father and Word together in one God. How simple but so hard for people to see because they have had all these false ideas pounded into their heads and will not stop to think about anything that does not agree with their thinking.

 

[ElishaElijah]

KJV omits the letter 'a' at John 1 but inserts the letter 'a' at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B.
So, even thought the same Greek grammar rule applies in both verses KJV made a difference.

Jesus as God's spokesman (Word) became flesh when his God sent pre-human heavenly Jesus to earth for us.
In other words, Jesus did Not send himself to Earth but his God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.

You’re mistaken, of course Jesus didn’t send himself, God the Father sent God the Son, who sent God the Holy Spirit.
““I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Jesus is Almighty God