Father alone is God

[lostwanderingsoul]

YHWH said he made all things in Isaiah 44:24 (Note: He said alone and by myself) So you have a problem here with what you are saying.

This verse says that all things were made by the Lord, thy redeemer. Jesus is the Lord and the redeemer. So maybe there is a problem with you interpretation of YHWH. Are you calling YHWH the Lord and redeemer? I do not see the word YHWH mentioned.

 

[Thief]

YHWH said he made all things in Isaiah 44:24 (Note: He said alone and by myself) So you have a problem here with what you are saying.

it is also written.....somewhere.....

Let us make Man in our image

sounds like.....cooperation

 

[moorea944]

This verse says that all things were made by the Lord, thy redeemer. Jesus is the Lord and the redeemer. So maybe there is a problem with you interpretation of YHWH. Are you calling YHWH the Lord and redeemer? I do not see the word YHWH mentioned.

But also keep in mind, that God is our savior, our rock, our redeemer, etc. But now, just like scripture says, He does it through his son. He gave his son all power and authority. We really need to stop calling Jesus God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

This verse says that all things were made by the Lord, thy redeemer. Jesus is the Lord and the redeemer. So maybe there is a problem with you interpretation of YHWH. Are you calling YHWH the Lord and redeemer? I do not see the word YHWH mentioned.

In the old testament when you see LORD in all capitals, it indicates that the name YHWH is in the original Hebrew text.
The Jews came to say his name was too holy to pronounce and substituted other words rather than say it. In the situation where they say adonai (which translates into Lord/Master in our language) instead of saying his name - The translators use LORD in all caps to indicate that his name is in the original. Hope this helps.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

it is also written.....somewhere.....

Let us make Man in our image

sounds like.....cooperation

If you are alone and by yourself when you do something who do you cooperate with?

He was talking to the angels in this verse. The angels look like men when they reveal themselves to us. He was just letting the angels know what he was going to do. But God did the creating himself. The very next verse lets you know this. Genesis 1:27

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If you are alone and by yourself when you do something who do you cooperate with?

He was talking to the angels in this verse. The angels look like men when they reveal themselves to us. He was just letting the angels know what he was going to do. But God did the creating himself. The very next verse lets you know this. Genesis 1:27

When you say "God himself" did the creating, what if "God" means the Father and the Son? I believe there is no individual named God. But that God is both Father and Son. So of course "God" created everything but the part of God that did it was the Son.

 

[Thief]

If you are alone and by yourself when you do something who do you cooperate with?

He was talking to the angels in this verse. The angels look like men when they reveal themselves to us. He was just letting the angels know what he was going to do. But God did the creating himself. The very next verse lets you know this. Genesis 1:27

I do make a distinction of Man as a species on Day Six
as compared to the alteration made.....AFTER Day Seven

I do not believe Chapter Two is a retelling of Chapter One

 

[Muffled]

you are?......God?

I believe it is when He wishes it to be so directly and otherwise in the background.

 

[Muffled]

You mean your view?.....

I believe my view is god's view. But just for the sake of argument the whole chapter is about who Jesus claims to be. That is the context that makes the verse clear.

 

[Muffled]

it is also written.....somewhere.....

Let us make Man in our image

sounds like.....cooperation

I believe that is the second creation of man when people already existed but God wanted a people for himself and both Greek and Norse Myths have the gods participating and being the first ones to call the Adamic race "human."

 

[moorea944]

I believe my view is god's view. But just for the sake of argument the whole chapter is about who Jesus claims to be. That is the context that makes the verse clear.

And who is Jesus claiming to be? I hope your not going to say God......
And what chapter again?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

When you say "God himself" did the creating, what if "God" means the Father and the Son? I believe there is no individual named God. But that God is both Father and Son. So of course "God" created everything but the part of God that did it was the Son.

You will have to explain what you mean a little better. What do you mean - the part of God? The Son didn't exist until Mary gave birth, except in the mind and plan of God. Galatians 4:4 ... sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You will have to explain what you mean a little better. What do you mean - the part of God? The Son didn't exist until Mary gave birth, except in the mind and plan of God. Galatians 4:4 ... sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law

John 1:1 indicates that there were TWO "beings" together at the beginnin. One was a "being" called "the Word" and the other was a "being" called God the Father. This being called the Word later entered a human body and was called Jesus. And this same being was the one who made all things. The teo together were God. So there is no on being called God but there are two who together are God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

John 1:1 indicates that there were TWO "beings" together at the beginnin. One was a "being" called "the Word" and the other was a "being" called God the Father. This being called the Word later entered a human body and was called Jesus. And this same being was the one who made all things. The teo together were God. So there is no on being called God but there are two who together are God.

That explanation contradicts other scriptures such as the one I just sent you. Galatians 4:4

As regards John 1:1 - logos is a Greek word which means - (plan-thought-idea-concept). It wasn't two different persons back there. It was the plan of God that was back there in the beginning with God. In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God, and the plan was/involved God. All things were made with that plan in mind, and without that plan was nothing made. The plan did involve God and when the right time came he manifest himself in flesh.

Paul said there was only one God - the Father. So if you think there was another being called the Word that was also God, then you believe in more than one God.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

1. Jesus said The Doctrine of God is of God not himself

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
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2. Jesus said he came from God not of himself and his God and Father is God and Father of his disciples.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
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3. Jesus said he came in his Father's name /authority and also corrected a ruler who called him good because none is God save one that is God.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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4. The Father is greater so the Son is One in agreement with The Father.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
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5. Son said if not subservient to the works of the Father believe him not.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
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6. Disciples of Christ also one with Christ and The Father.

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

The Father is a Station, just like the Son.

The Father and Son come as the Self of God, but they are not God.

Regards Tony

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

That explanation contradicts other scriptures such as the one I just sent you. Galatians 4:4

As regards John 1:1 - logos is a Greek word which means - (plan-thought-idea-concept). It wasn't two different persons back there. It was the plan of God that was back there in the beginning with God. In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God, and the plan was/involved God. All things were made with that plan in mind, and without that plan was nothing made. The plan did involve God and when the right time came he manifest himself in flesh.

Paul said there was only one God - the Father. So if you think there was another being called the Word that was also God, then you believe in more than one God.

The verse you cite says God sent forth his son. Doesn't that sound like they were both together in heaven and the father told his son to go forth to be boen as a human? There is a family named Jones that lives down the street from me. There are three people in that family. I certainly do not believe in three families named Jones. I believe in one family with three people in it. I also certainly do not believe in more than one God. I believe in one God tha is like a family with a father and a son.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The verse you cite says God sent forth his son. Doesn't that sound like they were both together in heaven and the father told his son to go forth to be boen as a human? There is a family named Jones that lives down the street from me. There are three people in that family. I certainly do not believe in three families named Jones. I believe in one family with three people in it. I also certainly do not believe in more than one God. I believe in one God tha is like a family with a father and a son.

The apostle Paul seems to disagree with you. 1 Corinthians 8:6

Please present some scripture that says that God is a family.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The apostle Paul seems to disagree with you. 1 Corinthians 8:6

Please present some scripture that says that God is a family.

Notice it says "one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things". All things were made by Jesus in his earlier form as the Word. This same Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. What else would you call a father and a son but a family?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Notice it says "one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things". All things were made by Jesus in his earlier form as the Word. This same Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. What else would you call a father and a son but a family?

What you say just doesn't hold up when you examine other scriptures. For instance Isaiah 44:24 - where YHWH said he made all things, and he said alone and by myself.

If you want to refer to the Messiah's earlier form, it would be as YHWH. YHWH was the one who manifested himself in flesh. It wasn't another person. YHWH was the one dwelling in that flesh.

(In other words - the Messiah was YHWH) He that hath SEEN me, hath SEEN the Father. John 14:9
The Father that dwelleth in me, he does the works. John 14:10

The Father is the Spirit, and the Son is the flesh.

 

[moorea944]

Notice it says "one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things". All things were made by Jesus in his earlier form as the Word. This same Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. What else would you call a father and a son but a family?

Just a quick comment here. Jesus did not create anything, GOD did. If.... and if... a certain version of someone's bible says that Jesus created everything... is wrong and it's a bad translation. Well, first of all, how do we know that. We can look at certain programs and certain "better" versions of the bible.

Rotherham bible, is one of, the best translations around. (Not saying it's perfect) Plus, you can download ISA - Interlinear Scripture Analyzer program on your PC. Has all the correct Hebrew and Greek language. IT's really good.

Also, the thing about families is that we are part of that family too. It's a spiritual family, esp when we are baptized. We now have a worldwide family of believers and in heaven.

And as far as the "Word"?... The Word was with God, etc... is that talking about Jesus? We really need to be careful on understanding words. Yes, Jesus IS called the Word and other things too. There are some translations errors in the bible, not by God, but by the translators. The translators put in the cap "W" in Word. So... the Word was with God. What does that mean... Well, when you look up the word "Word", it means LOGOS. And what does Logos mean? It means "someone's plans, reasons or thoughts". So God's plans were with him at the beginning, and then, in verse 14 of John 1, those plans became real. Is Jesus part of the LOGOS, of course. God even knew us before we were born too.

Jesus was not born yet. And there was no reason for him to pre-exist. He was born a man like us. (Heb 2). There is only one GOD. Jesus is not a God, though he is immortal now. There is a reason why the Messiah had to be like us. Do you know why?