Underhill
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Should "parts of culture" like this even be respected. I mean, if there was a culture that had included in it the abandonment of all sick children due to religious beliefs, would the world put up with it?
No.
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Should "parts of culture" like this even be respected. I mean, if there was a culture that had included in it the abandonment of all sick children due to religious beliefs, would the world put up with it?
Not sure on that one brother.
The man is a product of the cultures from this geographic region that have a long history of being less then civilized towards women.
Im glad they are moving forward, but we can all agree the fanaticism and fundamentalism is still extreme there even today despite this happening 19 years ago
IMO, he should be charged with depraved indifference homicide. What an arse.http://www.newser.com/story/211122/...rce=part&utm_medium=usatoday&utm_campaign=syn
Can anyone make any sense of this? Shouldn't this guy be locked up for this criminal behavior?
Jehovah Witnesses will allow a child to bleed to death rather than give them blood. Christian Scientists won't allow any medical treatment and the Church of Scientology will let someone go insane rather than treat them with meds. Those are just three examples and doesn't include the idiotic parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.Are you referring to Christian Scientists? I agree. If a person wants to hurt themselves like this, it is their business. But, once they subject their children to it, it becomes criminal.
No, it is not. There are almost no risks to blood anymore. And allowing a child to die rather than giving them the blood they need to survive, IMO, and as a 40+ APN, I can say that I find people who hold this attitude to be undeserving of children EVER. The only problem, which is extremely rare, from a blood transfusion is a reaction caused by allergy. And, as I said, that is extremely uncommon. Your POV makes me nauseous in the extreme.Refusing a blood transfusion for a child does not mean the parents do not love or deserve their children. Jehovah's witnesses seek the best medical care available for their children while respecting God's clearly stated law to "to abstain... from blood." (Acts 15:20) So successful have non-blood transfusion treatments proved in medical care, there are now numerous bloodless surgery centers around the U.S. and many non-witnesses are opting for bloodless surgery, to avoid the life- threatening dangers of blood transfusions. What Jws do for religious reason, others do because it is often safer to avoid blood transfusions.
Yes, what is that saying? All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good people to do nothing. Something like that.This is a tragedy...the father deserves to be severely punished for this.
Someone should have knocked this fool out to get to the woman.
Should "parts of culture" like this even be respected. I mean, if there was a culture that had included in it the abandonment of all sick children due to religious beliefs, would the world put up with it?
I'm not going to make such judgments based on the testimonies of Western media,
Especially since horrible treatment of women is still common place in our own culture.
was described as "Asian",
it's entirely possible that he wasn't even native there.
Either am I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia
Saudi Arabia 127th out of 136 countries for gender parity
Bad here, and much worse there is no real comparison.
Understood.
You do know that in this multi cultural muslim country that an Asian language has the highest spoken language after Arabic?
True but the odds of him not being muslim are almost zero.
This whole case any many other travesties to humanity are a direct result of fanaticism and fundamentalism native to this region.
That article isn't about Jehovah's Witnesses contribution to medicine - it's about how their refusal to accept blood transfusions forces Doctors to find new ways to treat their conditions and operate on them.Perhaps you should read this article in the New Yorker about the contribution made by Jws to medicine.http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-jehovahs-witnesses-are-changing-medicine
Firstly, the Daily Mail is never a reliable source of information or news about anything, period. Secondly, these kinds of mistakes do happen, but they can happen with almost almost any medical procedure. Properly monitored and actioned, blood transfusion is no less harmful than almost any other kind of treatment.I have personally known people who have died young from AIDS acquired from a blood transfusion. Children are infected, as shown by this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...l-China-got-HIV-blood-transfusion-report.html
And in many cases, it isn't:Jehovah's witnesses want the best care for their children, and in many cases that is with non-blood treatment.
Then God is a lunatic. And a parent allowing their child to die purely because of a religious belief is a monster.Our stand on abstaining from blood, however, is based on the true God's command in the Bible, and not the dangers inherent in blood transfusions.
That article isn't about Jehovah's Witnesses contribution to medicine - it's about how their refusal to accept blood transfusions forces Doctors to find new ways to treat their conditions and operate on them.
Firstly, the Daily Mail is never a reliable source of information or news about anything, period. Secondly, these kinds of mistakes do happen, but they can happen with almost almost any medical procedure. Properly monitored and actioned, blood transfusion is no less harmful than almost any other kind of treatment.
And in many cases, it isn't:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pregnant-...fter-mother-and-baby-die-20150406-1mf570.html
http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
Allowing children to die can hardly be said to be the "best care", can it?
Then God is a lunatic. And a parent allowing their child to die purely because of a religious belief is a monster.
No, the story is probably true, but the Daily Mail is still a notoriously unreliable source that tends to present a skewed view of more complicated issues. I was advising you not to use it as reliable source.Are you accusing the newspaper of lying?
Nope, nor did I even imply that. I explicitly said " these kinds of mistakes do happen, but they can happen with almost almost any medical procedure".Is it your position that AIDS (and other diseases) are not transmitted to children (and adults) through blood transfusions?
I also explicitly said:Since you admit blood transfusions can be "harmful", who can rightly insist another person must accept potentially lethal treatment?
The articles I linked to clearly show they do.Nor do Jws "allow" their children to die.
Unless that best medical care is a blood transfusion, in which case they settle for anything other than the best or, at worst, allowing that child to continue to be sick or die.So your saying they do so is false, IMO. They seek the best medical care possible for themselves and their children.
If they hold a belief that blood transfusions are inherently dangerous and the Bible is a reliable barometer for reality, yes.Jws appreciate skilled medical people who help us while respecting our conscientious decision to "abstain from blood." (Acts 15:28,29)
Millions have risked their lives for what they believe in, and many have died. Do you consider them misled?
So, would you agree with a parent denying their child an urgent medical procedure?Of course not. And I wonder why the father didn't try to save his daughter himself.
I wonder if anyone has noticed that this event actually happened in 1993 -- if it happened at all.
This is just an example of journalistic laziness and contemporary gullibility. Nothing more.
Yeah. True.Are you referring to Christian Scientists? I agree. If a person wants to hurt themselves like this, it is their business. But, once they subject their children to it, it becomes criminal.