Favourite Atheist arguments

[Skeezy]

Im not the one that wants proof. People say god exists some people say god doesnt exist. Perception of wether he exists or not is exactly that. For example life itself could be considered proof of god.


I have no burden a proof. I simply offered a venue for you to find proof. Seasons 1 &2. Since I have offered the burden of proof is no longer on me. You would have to actually watch the proof offered then make a decision.


I also apologize if I insulted you. I can see that and you are correct, my bad.

Is not my job to inform you of proof of these things or alert you to their sources. i gave you were to see it and they have the sources and go in depth. I didnt make the videos I didnt find the videos but I have seen them and judged for myself.

I cannot continue with my argument because I need opposition to actually see the collection of things captured by people which are unexplicable/paranormal instead of bickering over individual videos. The massive collection cannot all be found by searching the web. I'm not trying to prove to you any specific u.f.o.s are real. Im trying to show you that you need to put arrogance aside and just actually see the collection then make an informed decision on wether or not any of them are real. Instead of pre judging and making assumptions and being nit picky (couldnt think of a better word).

Si far everyone has generalized all the collection without even seeing the collection. If any proof was there skepticism has you actively ignoring it.


Which fits because its far easier not to check it out and stay comfortable in your beliefs. Ice also told you multiple times that the entire collection cannot be found by searching. So to axtually go against my proof you have to actually watch the show. Until you do that the burden of disproof falls on you

Im not the one that wants proof. People say god exists some people say god doesnt exist. Perception of wether he exists or not is exactly that. For example life itself could be considered proof of god.


I have no burden a proof. I simply offered a venue for you to find proof. Seasons 1 &2. Since I have offered the burden of proof is no longer on me. You would have to actually watch the proof offered then make a decision.


I also apologize if I insulted you. I can see that and you are correct, my bad.

Is not my job to inform you of proof of these things or alert you to their sources. i gave you were to see it and they have the sources and go in depth. I didnt make the videos I didnt find the videos but I have seen them and judged for myself.

I cannot continue with my argument because I need opposition to actually see the collection of things captured by people which are unexplicable/paranormal instead of bickering over individual videos. The massive collection cannot all be found by searching the web. I'm not trying to prove to you any specific u.f.o.s are real. Im trying to show you that you need to put arrogance aside and just actually see the collection then make an informed decision on wether or not any of them are real. Instead of pre judging and making assumptions and being nit picky (couldnt think of a better word).

Si far everyone has generalized all the collection without even seeing the collection. If any proof was there skepticism has you actively ignoring it.


Which fits because its far easier not to check it out and stay comfortable in your beliefs. Ice also told you multiple times that the entire collection cannot be found by searching. So to axtually go against my proof you have to actually watch the show. Until you do that the burden of disproof falls on you, because you have to actually see the proof I've already directed you to.

Your misisng about 15 videos per episode so your missing about 130-200 more videos many of which are of the same things captured in different Parts of the world.

If you make a positive claim you take on a burden of proof. That is the way that it works in the world. And perception is not evidence. Life itself is considered "proof of god" only by the very ignorant. What you really should try to do is to first learn what is and what is not evidence and also it would be a good idea to learn what various terms, such as "proof" mean.



Sorry, but you do. And no, you did not "offer a venue". Let's work on the basics and then you can try to offer evidence. If you don't know what evidence is it can be very hard to offer any.



Once again those sorts of videos are not evidence. They are merely entertainment. They do not support your claims. Learning why can be liberating.

Impossible to have any real narrative. The denial is too thick.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Impossible to have any real narrative. The denial is too thick.

Then I suggest that you learn what is and what is not evidence. Since you seem to want to approach this scientifically I suggest that you learn what scientific evidence is. Would you care to learn or is denial your natural habitat?

 

[Skeezy]

If you make a positive claim you take on a burden of proof. That is the way that it works in the world. And perception is not evidence. Life itself is considered "proof of god" only by the very ignorant. What you really should try to do is to first learn what is and what is not evidence and also it would be a good idea to learn what various terms, such as "proof" mean.



Sorry, but you do. And no, you did not "offer a venue". Let's work on the basics and then you can try to offer evidence. If you don't know what evidence is it can be very hard to offer any.



Once again those sorts of videos are not evidence. They are merely entertainment. They do not support your claims. Learning why can be liberating.

This is a rebutle to you and two others. You say you want evidence. I tell you where the evidence is. Instead of looking at evidence you assume. Ibpost several videos to show you your assumptions are wrong. (Lens flare, comon dude thats dismissive right from the start)

Instead of looking at the totality of evidence you trivialize what little snipets I was able to find by searching but still have no looked at the actual evidence. One guy dismissed the poltergeist video as strings wIthout seeing the entire video or showing where any strings are. This is entirely dismissive with no factual groundung. If your going ti be technical about proof you need to be fair and actually look at the proof instead of making false claims like you already know.

Imo its the fear which makes you not want to actually look at the evidence. Its much easier to dismissive because you dont really want evidence. You want to dismiss god/belief. Therefore you do everything but actually go look at the evidence.

I told you they cant be found by searching and even the short snipets provided are not the full videos. To actually look at proof you have to go actually look at the evidence. Anything before that is assumption and pre dismissal for self image safety.

From the beginning I have said some of the videos are fake but the show does not make the videos they find them. Last time I checked video, is still evidence.

If of a 100 videos only 20 were real that would still shatter your reality and instill fear. It's much easier to hide from it and assume you know eveything about reality. Tbh its way more than 20 videos.

If certain videos of spirits where real certain aspects would be universal and they are. Involving spirits if a family experiences spiritual activity, whole family the people the kids the dog everyone in the house. Then several other families in other countries experience much the same thing. You have to entertain the possibility of facts.

In oder to get the totality of proof you have to watch all of the evidence. Instead of denying from fear of reality change. I dont believe its entirely disbelief l, I think its fear that god is real which makes the opposition so dismissive and deaf to the point where I have to keep repeating that you have to actually go look at all the videos that the world has turned in as proof.

Then you can try to be dismissive on factual grounds instead of false assumption and cognitive dissonance. You asked for proof and I told you where it is. The burden is on you to actually observe the proof. Without that you have no grounds for what you say, all of you.

Now are you going to rebutle from a standpoint of ignorance or are you going to go observe the proof then speak from a knowledgable standpoint?

I predict are you going to continue to nit pick 5-8 random snipets of videos instead of observing the totality of video evidence because its safer for you. No other place has this entire collection.

We cant even get to the meat and potatoes of the conversation because of cognitive dissonance

There are several videos of people that live with highly active poltergesists and you get to meet them they run tests, etc. and show you. Your trying to explain away things while having never seen it for yourself. Whats that called?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a rebutle to you and two others. You say you want evidence. I tell you where the evidence is. Instead of looking at evidence you assume. Ibpost several videos to show you your assumptions are wrong. (Lens flare, comon dude thats dismissive right from the start)

Instead of looking at the totality of evidence you trivialize what little snipets I was able to find by searching but still have no looked at the actual evidence. One guy dismissed the poltergeist video as strings wIthout seeing the entire video or showing where any strings are. This is entirely dismissive with no factual groundung. If your going ti be technical about proof you need to be fair and actually look at the proof instead of making false claims like you already know.

Imo its the fear which makes you not want to actually look at the evidence. Its much easier to dismissive because you dont really want evidence. You want to dismiss god/belief. Therefore you do everything but actually go look at the evidence.

I told you they cant be found by searching and even the short snipets provided are not the full videos. To actually look at proof you have to go actually look at the evidence. Anything before that is assumption and pre dismissal for self image safety.

From the beginning I have said some of the videos are fake but the show does not make the videos they find them. Last time I checked video, is still evidence.

If of a 100 videos only 20 were real that would still shatter your reality and instill fear. It's much easier to hide from it and assume you know eveything about reality. Tbh its way more than 20 videos.

If certain videos of spirits where real certain aspects would be universal and they are. Involving spirits if a family experiences spiritual activity, whole family the people the kids the dog everyone in the house. Then several other families in other countries experience much the same thing. You have to entertain the possibility of facts.

In oder to get the totality of proof you have to watch all of the evidence. Instead of denying from fear of reality change. I dont believe its entirely disbelief l, I think its fear that god is real which makes the opposition so dismissive and deaf to the point where I have to keep repeating that you have to actually go look at all the videos that the world has turned in as proof.

Then you can try to be dismissive on factual grounds instead of false assumption

Sorry, but those are not evidence. They are nowhere near being proof.

Once again do you want to learn what evidence is?

 

[McBell]

This is a rebutle to you and two others. You say you want evidence. I tell you where the evidence is. Instead of looking at evidence you assume. Ibpost several videos to show you your assumptions are wrong. (Lens flare, comon dude thats dismissive right from the start)

Instead of looking at the totality of evidence you trivialize what little snipets I was able to find by searching but still have no looked at the actual evidence. One guy dismissed the poltergeist video as strings wIthout seeing the entire video or showing where any strings are. This is entirely dismissive with no factual groundung. If your going ti be technical about proof you need to be fair and actually look at the proof instead of making false claims like you already know.

Imo its the fear which makes you not want to actually look at the evidence. Its much easier to dismissive because you dont really want evidence. You want to dismiss god/belief. Therefore you do everything but actually go look at the evidence.

I told you they cant be found by searching and even the short snipets provided are not the full videos. To actually look at proof you have to go actually look at the evidence. Anything before that is assumption and pre dismissal for self image safety.

From the beginning I have said some of the videos are fake but the show does not make the videos they find them. Last time I checked video, is still evidence.

If of a 100 videos only 20 were real that would still shatter your reality and instill fear. It's much easier to hide from it and assume you know eveything about reality. Tbh its way more than 20 videos.

If certain videos of spirits where real certain aspects would be universal and they are. Involving spirits if a family experiences spiritual activity, whole family the people the kids the dog everyone in the house. Then several other families in other countries experience much the same thing. You have to entertain the possibility of facts.

In oder to get the totality of proof you have to watch all of the evidence. Instead of denying from fear of reality change. I dont believe its entirely disbelief l, I think its fear that god is real which makes the opposition so dismissive and deaf to the point where I have to keep repeating that you have to actually go look at all the videos that the world has turned in as proof.

Then you can try to be dismissive on factual grounds instead of false assumption and cognitive dissonance. You asked for proof and I told you where it is. The burden is on you to actually observe the proof. Without that you have no grounds for what you say, all of you.

Now are you going to rebutle from a standpoint of ignorance or are you going to go observe the proof then speak from a knowledgable standpoint?

I predict are you going to continue to nit pick 5-8 random snipets of videos instead of observing the totality of video evidence because its safer for you. No other place has this entire collection.

We cant even get to the meat and potatoes of the conversation because of cognitive dissonance

There are several videos of people that live with highly active poltergesists and you get to meet them they run tests, etc. and show you. Your trying to explain away things while having never seen it for yourself. Whats that called?

Your "ghosts of the gaps" argument is on the exact same level of credibility as the "God of the gaps" argument.

That you attribute acknowledgement of this fact as "being afraid of the truth" is actually a you problem, not an everyone else problem.

 

[Skeezy]

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/paranormal-caught-on-camera/episodes

The two seasons are the best totality of evidence. There is no other place that has the entire collection of these so until you actually watch them, your just talking out of your.... all of them.

I dont think you understand what this show has done. Any seemingly real video evidence of paranormal things that you could ever scoure for is here. If you want to make general statements about paranormal videos you need to at least see the pinnacle of them. They are all in one place.


Throughout all of these posts none of you have observed the evidence.

 

[McBell]

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/paranormal-caught-on-camera/episodes

The two seasons are the best totality of evidence.

Are you getting paid by the post to advertise for them?

For there is no way that a mere two seasons of a "reality" television series is the "best totality of evidence" for ghosts...

There is no other place that has the entire collection of these

Thank you Captain Obvious.

But so you do not get the wrong idea....
Of course they are the only source of their entire collection.

so until you actually watch them, your just talking out of your.... all of them.

If the best you have to offer is some lame *** "you can not have a valid opinion until after you have seen all the evidence" then you have already lost you 'argument'.

Throughout all of these posts none of you have observed the evidence.

You really need to work on your sales pitch
Mostly because no one outside the choir is buying the snake oil you are sailing.

 

[Mock Turtle]

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/paranormal-caught-on-camera/episodes

The two seasons are the best totality of evidence. There is no other place that has the entire collection of these so until you actually watch them, your just talking out of your.... all of them.

I dont think you understand what this show has done. Any seemingly real video evidence of paranormal things that you could ever scoure for is here. If you want to make general statements about paranormal videos you need to at least see the pinnacle of them. They are all in one place.


Throughout all of these posts none of you have observed the evidence.

And you chum, need to develop some true scepticism - over what you perceive as being evidence and the motivations which might lie behind such - so as to be a bit more neutral. Some of us have read all the classic science-fiction, are well up on science and engineering, and have even worked in the aerospace industries (an engineer myself in such for many years), so as to place all such things in better perspective. No one is objecting to you believing in such - many do, even here on RF - but some of us do require serious evidence. And so do most scientists. Hence why you won't find that many believing in UFOs piloted by little green men.

And the same goes for much else in the paranormal arena.

 

[Skeezy]

Are you getting paid by the post to advertise for them?

For there is no way that a mere two seasons of a "reality" t

And you chum, need to develop some true scepticism - over what you perceive as being evidence and the motivations which might lie behind such - so as to be a bit more neutral. Some of us have read all the classic science-fiction, are well up on science and engineering, and have even worked in the aerospace industries (an engineer myself in such for many years), so as to place all such things in better perspective. No one is objecting to you believing in such - many do, even here on RF - but some of us do require serious evidence. And so do most scientists. Hence why you won't find that many believing in UFOs piloted by little green men.

And the same goes for much else in the paranormal arena.

And to delve into serious evidence, you may want to be up on the current evidence that has been collected by people who have the resources to do so. They have displayed it on this show which is why I say you need to watch the show before making general statements.

As of 2021 this is the most recent and largest collection that has been gathered of evidence.

Do you understand now?

You need to actually see the vast majority of evidence before you can say "I know about stuff like this." Which is the fault in many of these posts including yours.

After you view the vast majority of evidence then we can talk

Not to far after you make it past the guy who has a spirit in his hotel room he rented. About 5 episodes after that you may be ready to apologize for assuming before viewing said evidence. The show has collected video evidence from around the world of all things paranormal and put it on display, thats all the show is. Its not a ghost hunting reality show like some have assumed..


Please stop assuming

 

[SkepticThinker]

And to delve into serious evidence, you may want to be up on the current evidence that has been collected by people who have the resources to do so. They have displayed it on this show which is why I say you need to watch the show before making general statements.

As of 2021 this is the most recent and largest collection that has been gathered of evidence.

Do you understand now?

You need to actually see the vast majority of evidence before you can say "I know about stuff like this." Which is the fault in many of these posts including yours.

After you view the vast majority of evidence then we can talk

Not to far after you make it past the guy who has a spirit in his hotel room he rented. About 5 episodes after that you may be ready to apologize for assuming before viewing said evidence. The show has collected video evidence from around the world of all things paranormal and put it on display, thats all the show is. Its not a ghost hunting reality show like some have assumed..

Which scientific journals have these people published and shared their findings in?
I'd rather read that.

Please stop assuming

Why do you assume these are ghosts and how are ghosts defined, tested and demonstrated, so as to rule out other explanations?

 

[Skeezy]

First I have to break your false perception of things paranormal, then I have to break your perception of social and economical reality of things you actually do believe. All this is to pull you out of the real life matrix.

Once all that is done then, I can tell you the very real truth then show you how the bible/god is very real and very accurate.

The first step before to do any of that is get you to see the vast majority of the spiritual evidence collected for the past 40 years.... which you havent seen

Really need ya to do that first

 

[McBell]

As of 2021 this is the most recent and largest collection that has been gathered of evidence.

Do you understand now?

Prove it.
You are mighty colossally big on bold empty claims but damn near microscopic in the support department....

You need to actually see the vast majority of evidence before you can say "I know about stuff like this." Which is the fault in many of these posts including yours.

You really need a new song and dance.
This nonsense may work for your choir, but so far no one outside of your choir is buying it.

After you view the vast majority of evidence then we can talk

Have you yourself limited your own viewing to your employers collection?

Not to far after you make it past the guy who has a spirit in his hotel room he rented. About 5 episodes after that you may be ready to apologize for assuming before viewing said evidence.

Except I haven't...
Where does that leave you?

The show has collected video evidence from around the world of all things paranormal and put it on display, thats all the show is. Its not a ghost hunting reality show like some have assumed..


Please stop assuming

You would do good to take your own advice.
Your employers collection did not impress.

Did I mention I am not a member of your choir?

 

[McBell]

First I have to break your false perception of things paranormal, then I have to break your perception of social and economical reality of things you actually do believe. All this is to pull you out of the real life matrix.

Once all that is done then, I can tell you the very real truth then show you how the bible/god is very real and very accurate.

The first step before to do any of that is get you to see the vast majority of the spiritual evidence collected for the past 40 years.... which you havent seen

Really need ya to do that first

**Climbs onto pontoon boat**

The BS is getting to deep to fast to trust chest waders.....

 

[Mock Turtle]

And to delve into serious evidence, you may want to be up on the current evidence that has been collected by people who have the resources to do so. They have displayed it on this show which is why I say you need to watch the show before making general statements.

As of 2021 this is the most recent and largest collection that has been gathered of evidence.

Do you understand now?

You need to actually see the vast majority of evidence before you can say "I know about stuff like this." Which is the fault in many of these posts including yours.

After you view the vast majority of evidence then we can talk

Not to far after you make it past the guy who has a spirit in his hotel room he rented. About 5 episodes after that you may be ready to apologize for assuming before viewing said evidence. The show has collected video evidence from around the world of all things paranormal and put it on display, thats all the show is. Its not a ghost hunting reality show like some have assumed..


Please stop assuming

And you don't think these people have an agenda?

So how many conspiracy theories do you believe - apart from the UFOs, the paranormal, and perhaps the religious belief?

 

[Skeezy]

First I have to break your false perception of things paranormal, then I have to break your perception of social and economical reality of things you actually do believe. All this is to pull you out of the real life matrix.

Once all that is done then, I can tell you the very real truth then show you how the bible/god is very real and very accurate.

First I have to break your false perception of things paranormal, then I have to break your perception of social and economical reality of things you actually do believe. All this is to pull you out of the real life matrix.

Once all that is done then, I can tell you the very real truth then show you how the bible/god is very real and very accurate.

The first step before to do any of that is get you to see the vast majority of the spiritual evidence collected for the past 40 years.... which you havent seen

Really need ya to do that first

@SkepticThinker im less likely to believe literature written by white men than any other source. Because I know tangible reality is full of BS brought on by edomites

@Mock Turtle
Since that was a fair unrealated question, I'll answer it.

One conspiracy I do believe in is the Colorado Airport Conspiracy. The one about new world order and its murals paintef in the airport. The originalvideo also went on to show that the airport has bunker under it and also showed miltary operations on farmlands (also bunkers).

I do believe the underground bunkers are to hide from god when he reutrns as it says they will try to do in the bible. I cannot find the original video of the conspiracy. Heres another video which correlates to how I freel about that conpiracy

 

[Mock Turtle]

@SkepticThinker im less likely to believe literature written by white men than any other source. Because I know tangible reality is full of BS brought on by edomites

@Mock Turtle
Since that was a fair unrealated question, I'll answer it.

One conspiracy I do believe in is the Colorado Airport Conspiracy. The one about new world order and its murals paintef in the airport. The originalvideo also went on to show that the airport has bunker under it and also showed miltary operations on farmlands (also bunkers).

I do believe the underground bunkers are to hide from god when he reutrns as it says they will try to do in the bible. I cannot find the original video of the conspiracy. Heres another video which correlates to how I freel about that conpiracy

Ta. I must admit to being conspiracy-averse, and hence, as there are so many, I'm not inclined to pursue most. I can only claim one that bothers me, and which of course I leave open, and that is the JFK killing, and I assume I will never know apart from accepting the official version, which has not a lot to recommend it in my view.

Judging by the comments on that video, I think you need to mix with more normal people.

 

[Skeezy]

Prove it.
You are mighty colossally big on bold empty claims but damn near microscopic in the support department....


You really need a new song and dance.
This nonsense may work for your choir, but so far no one outside of your choir is buying it.


Have you yourself limited your own viewing to your employers collection?


Except I haven't...
Where does that leave you?


You would do good to take your own advice.
Your employers collection did not impress.

Did I mention I am not a member of your choir?

I posted a website that shows when episodes air so you can watch them for free.

I need you to see the evidence of the supernatural not be petty or say I work for discovery channel. I definitely do not.

I meed you to see the videos of the first two seasons as they were the best and most convincing. Seasons 3 and beyond they started to run out of worthy evidence, so there are alot more fake ones than real in the later seasons.


@Mestemia
Also if you actually watched it. What did the spirit in the hotel room repeatedly do?

 

[Skeezy]

Ta. I must admit to being conspiracy-averse, and hence, as there are so many, I'm not inclined to pursue most. I can only claim one that bothers me, and which of course I leave open, and that is the JFK killing, and I assume I will never know apart from accepting the official version, which has not a lot to recommend it in my view.

Its funny because one very factual conspiracy here in America is that Slavery was never abolished. Its coming to light in recent years but after slavery "ended" they started criminalizing black men and filling the jails with them, since in the 13th amendment slavery is still allowed as punishment. Paint ing black men as savage, murderers, rapists and criminals. When in reality it was the white people who savagely murdered raped and killed . This conspiracy is still very alive and well.

In breaking through the lies of history most of what people know/were taught is a lie. The matrix is very real and part of why people are so divided.

America Society itself is built upon so much B.S.. that believing anything you were taught about america is a real conspiracy lol

The truth has yet to come to light in so many areas

It all correlates back to the bible though as all of this is in there. To understand the truth and reality then view gods word, it goes hand in hand.

 

[Skeezy]

Another good "conspiracy" is Pagans disgusing themselves under the flag of christinaity which was also paganized lol.

Christmas, valentines day, holloween, and easter. All pagan fertility celebrations. Ezekial 12 tells you flat out not to follow the pagans that celebrate christmas

That along with purposely going against what the bible says to do. They changed god white, they worship on sunday (saturday is the holy day). They worship carved statues which flat out breaks commandment.

The bible flat out calls white people (edomites- the color of their blood can be seen through their skin) devils and the only way for them to have a slim chance to get to heaven is to acknowledge their lies against gods chosen and repent lol they never will.

Revelations tells you who gods people currently are. (The people who are in the land of their captors from which they were brought by boat).

It describes the entire relationship between them even currently in detail. The truth revealed and gods word go hand in hand.

In learning the truth about factual history, not the lies made up when white people took over and made up their own lies as history, it took me on a journey. I learned about the moorish black men who ushered in the renaissance. They circum navigated and mapped the globe and also spread, math, art, city building, medicine etc. They traded with and some even lived in the "new world". They were the ones who brought Columbus here and the ones eho began the building of America before white people betrayed them and turned them into slaves then proceeded to murder 246 million indians. Then they stole their status and tried their damnedest to prevent black people from passing down the truth.

I learned that white people generalize blacks as being from africa when really some of us are native, some from carribean, some from spain etc.

All this eventually led me to the bible as that also tells who we really are and who other nations of people really are.

 

[SkepticThinker]

@SkepticThinker im less likely to believe literature written by white men than any other source. Because I know tangible reality is full of BS brought on by edomites

@Mock Turtle
Since that was a fair unrealated question, I'll answer it.

One conspiracy I do believe in is the Colorado Airport Conspiracy. The one about new world order and its murals paintef in the airport. The originalvideo also went on to show that the airport has bunker under it and also showed miltary operations on farmlands (also bunkers).

I do believe the underground bunkers are to hide from god when he reutrns as it says they will try to do in the bible. I cannot find the original video of the conspiracy. Heres another video which correlates to how I freel about that conpiracy

Um okay, then I guess we have nothing further to discuss.
You go on believing on everything you see on ghost hunter shows then, if it makes you happy.