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Fear in the wake of a Trump presidency.

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Nice story but here in MD it was just another day. Don't let irrational fears get the better of you. Egypt is the country Obama style community organizers are accused of destabilizing. Egypt was fine before Obama, Christians and Muslims living side by side for centuries.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats.
A number of people? Separate or the same incident and just today? And why do you think this has to do with Trump? How does Trump get this anti-Black reputation by some?...Was it liberals trying to create that image?
Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.
Now one thing we have to blame on terrorists is that it has unfortunately become more difficult to move between countries and through airports. This is unfortunate for good people like Ahmed, but isn't it the threat of terrorism the cause? I agree that Trump has exploited this issue to his advantage and I don't agree with it either. Although he is right that we need to screen for possible terrorism (as we have been doing already) but the optimal level of the vetting and methods is very difficult to determine. What would you suggest we do?

I hear your concerns, but I don't think you need to worry. lets take things one step at a time is what I say. I went out to various places today and everything was exactly the same as I'm sure it will be tomorrow.
 
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.

You'll be fine.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.
Let me know if Trump ever poses any threat to you.
I'll personally weigh in on your defense.
I ain't much good, but I'll try.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
A number of people? Separate or the same incident and just today? And why do you think this has to do with Trump? How does Trump get this anti-Black reputation by some?...Was it liberals trying to create that image?

Maybe it was people at his rally getting automatically hostile towards black people (even when they were supporting him)? Did Trump ever do anything to discourage that sort of sentiment?
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Maybe it was people at his rally getting automatically hostile towards black people (even when they were supporting him)?
Er...going to his mailbox so it said..
Did Trump ever do anything to discourage that sort of sentiment?
Yes he has. Those kind of accusations are what get things out of control. Hillary is not a crook despite what her enemies say; Trump is not a racist despite what his enemies say...chill people

Before you get me wrong, I don't like Trump but people needn't fear stepping out of their house.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats.

Somehow I doubt that Trump called those fools up and told them to do that. Don't blame Trump for what some individual idiots do.

He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over.

There is a difference between a peaceful, law abiding Muslim (the US has several allied countries that are Muslim) and a radical, extremist that wants to shop off heads and blow stuff up. I am quite sure your friend will be fine as a college student.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I may be jaded; no, make that I am jaded. So, I don't understand all the fear that is afoot. Maybe I'm jaded because I've seen 11 administrations, coming up on a 12th.

I lived in Newark NJ during the 1967 summer riots. Who else remembers being in school, hearing a special bell, grabbing your coat and heading down to the school basement to cover yourself? As if that would protect you from the "A-Bomb" the "Russkies" were going to drop on America.

The point is, we survived far worse than the so-far-unfounded fears of what life in 21st century America will be under a President Trump. Time to put on the big girl and big boy pants and just get on with life. Otherwise we risk becoming paralyzed victims of fears that will probably never come to pass.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Eight years ago there was fear among some people that a Black man would be president. Nothing bad happened. Now there is fear that a rich man will be president. Maybe nothing bad will happen .
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A number of people? Separate or the same incident and just today? And why do you think this has to do with Trump? How does Trump get this anti-Black reputation by some?...Was it liberals trying to create that image?
Listening to NPR today, they're interviewing a lot of anti-Trump voters, asking them how they feel.
Of course, they feel frightened, insulted, worried, despondent, sobbing, & every other emotion necessary to paint a picture of great tragedy that Trump won. So yes, they do try to create this image.
I hope they get out of campaign mode soon.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I may be jaded; no, make that I am jaded. So, I don't understand all the fear that is afoot. Maybe I'm jaded because I've seen 11 administrations, coming up on a 12th.

I lived in Newark NJ during the 1967 summer riots. Who else remembers being in school, hearing a special bell, grabbing your coat and heading down to the school basement to cover yourself? As if that would protect you from the "A-Bomb" the "Russkies" were going to drop on America.

The point is, we survived far worse than the so-far-unfounded fears of what life in 21st century America will be under a President Trump. Time to put on the big girl and big boy pants and just get on with life. Otherwise we risk becoming paralyzed victims of fears that will probably never come to pass.
Okay, good advice. I was school learning those same lessons a few years before you (I was in grade 9 when JFK died).
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared. That's the difference. Giving Trump the presidency validates these rhetorics of hate, and with hate free to flourish we may all feel the effects.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Eight years ago there was fear among some people that a Black man would be president. Nothing bad happened. Now there is fear that a rich man will be president. Maybe nothing bad will happen .
We shouldn't forget that John Kerry was a multi multi multi millionaire, one of the richest men in politics. No one had a problem with that at the time.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
These colleges have become safe spaces for millennials creating special snowflakes without preparing them for how reality works. It's essentially they go into these universities and come out dumber than when they went in. Aren't universities suppose to be a place of intellectual diversity and open discussions and taking on challenges through critical thinking? When did Universities become daycare centers?

The melodrama is really based on a lack of knowledge, and busting their bubble is hopefully a wake-up call for them to make real assessments.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared. That's the difference. Giving Trump the presidency validates these rhetorics of hate, and with hate free to flourish we may all feel the effects.
The media & some partisans have cultivated an irrational climate of fear.
Don't buy into it.
Our government is a massive thing, & Trump has few allies in it.
Things will happen slowly, & with many restraints.
I guarantee that you'll be OK.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
The media & some partisans have cultivated an irrational climate of fear.
Don't buy into it.
Our government is a massive thing, & Trump has few allies in it.
Things will happen slowly, & with many restraints.
I guarantee that you'll be OK.

After he took the oath he's going to send out his death squads to kill all Blacks, Latinos, LGBs, Ts, probably also kittens.

After that he'll get his portrait done, his face will be a "Comic Frog".

And then its nuclear war time!


If only America had elected the friend of Wall Street, radical Muslims and the Industry. :(
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

This sounds like grade school / kindergarten version of school. I realize how that reads, but I can see bringing it up in institution of higher learning and asking intelligent young adults either individually or as a group, how you (or anyone) might handle such situations. Without that follow up, the teaching/learning aspect, it comes across as coddling.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

So, in the last 18 months have you heard Trump use that word? I think that's an entirely fair question is a political debate thread where this is being presented as reason to be scared of Trump. Cause if you haven't (and pretty sure no one has, at least publicly), then perhaps another fair point for such a discussion is what would POTUS Trump, who came in as the Law and Order President advocate in such a situation? Me, a Trump supporter, believes he would advocate calling local law enforcement and making it as clear as possible that a hate crime of sorts is playing out, and the resident feels threatened. Has no other place to go. Is genuinely scared for his life. Would then be interesting to report back what local law enforcement says. Heck, I'm thinking there's gotta be some version of LW media there that would be interested in such a story. Could have the resident's face blurred out cause he is that genuinely scared, but thinks the story needs to be told. Send a message of what at least one person in America is facing post election.

So, if I take a minute and think about it, and decide that local law enforcement ought not to be brought in, then I would have to conclude that we are really returning to a place where some people are afraid to leave the house because of how others, who are visibly hateful, are perceiving them, and that it sure as heck seems attributable to their race. But, I would think it unfair to put this onto Trump. Now, if Trump has said the N word and said anything remotely along the lines that if he wins, it's time to get the N's out of our neighborhood and he hopes you are down for that cause, then yeah, kinda can see how one might attribute such a scene to Trump. But the idea that this can be reasonably inferred from Trump rhetoric in the campaign and there is zero counter point to that in a discussion of young, intelligent adults strikes me as a little more scary.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.

This one is admittedly more tough, but as I skimmed the other thread responses, the fear story does seem to neglect / not bring up why there is reason to be concerned. Again, I think the 'reasoned inference' is based on the soundbite rhetoric that Trump will ban all Muslims coming into America. Yet, this is saying "probably won't be going home this winter." Winter break could overlap with when Trump gets into office, but certainly one could go home for when winter break starts (in most schools) and return back to U.S. before Trump is even if office. Plus, one with such a concern could do a whole lot of reaching out, double checking before they make the trip. Essentially, voluntarily vet themselves and make it clear they are willing to be vetted on the return trip in whatever way the authorities deem reasonable. But are just looking for assurances that if they come back say January 26th, they'll be allowed in. If there is any indication they might not be, then there is grounds to be concerned. If there is strong reason to believe they will surely be disallowed, I could THEN see it rising to level of fear. But country is way bigger than Trump, and while he could implement policy that amounts to no visits/immigration from Muslim countries, it would take more than just Trump for that to go through, unless he enacts an Executive Order. If that occurs, it would certainly a) line up with his campaign rhetoric and b) create immediate backlash that I imagine LW/MSM would have a field day with for a good 3 months to 4 years with.

Anyway, there's the idea that concerns/fears are being expressed and that ought to be treated with respect and active listening, not dismissal. I get that. But if there is really no counter points, workable solutions being offered, then on the first count I see that as counterproductive and on the second count as coddling. I also see it as poor teaching / ineffective learning if a school is not offering plausible ways for the situations to be handled by those involved, or by really anyone as in - what might a sensible person do in this situation? Let us count the options and see if we can make this work. And if for some reason it truly shows up as there are no options, then perhaps fear could be entertained, but me? I'd want a second or fifth opinion before I go there.

The idea this is happening less than 24 hours from Trump election and before Trump getting into office seems to counter what Hillary said in her concession speech about having an open mind toward Trump, and truly wishing Trump to be successful at presiding over our nation.
 
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