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Fear in the wake of a Trump presidency.

Acim

Revelation all the time
The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared. That's the difference. Giving Trump the presidency validates these rhetorics of hate, and with hate free to flourish we may all feel the effects.

I'm genuinely curious how you rationalize the highlighted part?

We may all feel the effects of hate, but honestly I don't see how that's new. Not new during election time, as in 2 days ago and before that. There was plenty of hate on both sides to go around, and was palpable. So, you're obviously thinking everything has been taken to another level, and that non-Trump supporters are powerless to do anything about it. And I'd like to explore that or have it explained. Cause so far, that strikes me as fear based mostly to entirely on LW media spin.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats.
You might have to dumb it down a little for me. This went right over my head. Please explain how Trump is responsible for this?
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
I'm genuinely curious how you rationalize the highlighted part?

We may all feel the effects of hate, but honestly I don't see how that's new. Not new during election time, as in 2 days ago and before that. There was plenty of hate on both sides to go around, and was palpable. So, you're obviously thinking everything has been taken to another level, and that non-Trump supporters are powerless to do anything about it. And I'd like to explore that or have it explained. Cause so far, that strikes me as fear based mostly to entirely on LW media spin.
When mature adults run for presidency of our free democracy/republic, they are traditionally tactful, and promote peace. They will even defend protesters' right to speak out, as we have seen at several rallies with Obama, with Hillary, with Tim Kaine. Whereas Trump has on numerous occasions encouraged his crowds to "rough up" protesters, and bemoan "the good ol' days" when protesters would be maimed or even killed for speaking up at rallies. Its also his looking the other way when violence does erupt. A leader has to step up and step in to halt the fighting. Trump is not doing it. @Acim this is nobody's 'spin', this is factual.
Many supporters of Trump feel that this is some kind of positive for him, that he "speaks his mind" and "doesn't pull his punches". But it truly is a very big red flag negative. It shows severe immaturity and fear of having his opinions overridden by any other speaker. It shows a lack of patience, and of empathy. Both of which are absolute necessities in a national leader of a diverse population.
From the left, especially today, there has been anger and frustration at the palpable foolishness of those who voted this man/child into office, and at the corporate press who absolutely and intentionally looked right past every one of his failures, and illegal activities; and right past his personality failures; like impatience, thin skin, lies, non-transparency, hypocrisy, and of course using a pulpit to condone and even incite violence to those who object to his whimsical opinions. It is not hate, and it will pass.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
After he took the oath he's going to send out his death squads to kill all Blacks, Latinos, LGBs, Ts, probably also kittens.

After that he'll get his portrait done, his face will be a "Comic Frog".

And then its nuclear war time!


If only America had elected the friend of Wall Street, radical Muslims and the Industry. :(
Yeahhhh.....funny....if so many didn't believe such rather extreme things.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared. That's the difference. Giving Trump the presidency validates these rhetorics of hate, and with hate free to flourish we may all feel the effects.
Eight years ago the White House had its first Negro tenant. Some people were afraid of that. Who is responsible for that fear, the president?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Listening to NPR today, they're interviewing a lot of anti-Trump voters, asking them how they feel.
Of course, they feel frightened, insulted, worried, despondent, sobbing, & every other emotion necessary to paint a picture of great tragedy that Trump won. So yes, they do try to create this image.
I hope they get out of campaign mode soon.
When I listened it was mostly trump supporters
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.

Dow surges 300 points; financials gain 4% after Donald Trump win

right there is a little bit of an improvement over the record crash after Obama was elected 8 hard years ago

But anecdotally, the jovial mood in my town was tangible, refreshing, a county, and state which went Democrat the election or two, had nothing but Trump signs as far as the eye could see this year. It's a beautiful thing.
 

Cassandra

Active Member
The media & some partisans have cultivated an irrational climate of fear.
Don't buy into it.
Our government is a massive thing, & Trump has few allies in it.
Things will happen slowly, & with many restraints.
I guarantee that you'll be OK.
You never really got it, did you?

A president is not only a political leader but also a moral leader, especially in a democracy where he reflects the peoples choice. When you elect a goon as president all the goons in the country will feel liberated and will start acting like him. Trump even stirred his followers to use violence against those wanting to stop him, in a country that already has a violent history and lots of ruthless, trigger happy people.

Trump himself will be mostly busy looking after Trump, but the effect his immoral actions will have on like-minded people will be devastating. People with low conscience need very strict rule and perfect example and fear of authority. Trump broke that down in a disastrous campaign full of lies, deceit, slandering, bold misconduct, threats, abuse, indiscriminately harming people, undermining respect for authority, xenophobic hate, to rally the scum of the nation behind him. And you think, it is now over, can be put to rest and business as usual again? This is just the beginning. Civilization is a thin layer on many people, especially in this young country, and now it is coming off completely.

By the way congratulations on helping an unworthy person getting elected in the highest office. You worked exceptionally hard with thousands of posts.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You never really got it, did you?
Well, I am pretty slow.
A president is not only a political leader but also a moral leader, especially in a democracy where he reflects the peoples choice. When you elect a goon as president all the goons in the country will feel liberated and will start acting like him. Trump even stirred his followers to use violence against those wanting to stop him, in a country that already has a violent history and lots of ruthless, trigger happy people.
Before voting for Trump, I considered both goons, & chose the lesser goon.
Hillary & the DNC have fomented violence, & we see that being played out now across the country.
They've inspired their fervent fans to hate not only Trump, but to hate all of us "deplorables".
She's a hawk with an authoritarian streak.
Tump is no great choice.
She was worse.
Trump himself will be mostly busy looking after Trump, but the effect his immoral actions will have on like-minded people will be devastating. People with low conscience need very strict rule and perfect example and fear of authority. Trump broke that down in a disastrous campaign full of lies, deceit, slandering, bold misconduct, threats, abuse, indiscriminately harming people, undermining respect for authority, xenophobic hate, to rally the scum of the nation behind him. And you think, it is now over, can be put to rest and business as usual again? This is just the beginning. Civilization is a thin layer on many people, especially in this young country, and now it is coming off completely.
Tis best to wait & see what happens before going off the deep end with fears of worst case scenarios.
By the way congratulations on helping an unworthy person getting elected in the highest office. You worked exceptionally hard with thousands of posts.
I didn't urge anyone to change their vote.
I only voiced my opinions about his being the least "unworthy" of the two.
For you, it seemed an easy & certain choice.....good vs evil.
For me it was more a complex choice.....evil vs less evil.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In other news, Trump haters have taken to the streets and are setting things on fire while promoting open rebellion. So remind me again, who should be scared?
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
When mature adults run for presidency of our free democracy/republic, they are traditionally tactful, and promote peace. They will even defend protesters' right to speak out, as we have seen at several rallies with Obama, with Hillary, with Tim Kaine. Whereas Trump has on numerous occasions encouraged his crowds to "rough up" protesters, and bemoan "the good ol' days" when protesters would be maimed or even killed for speaking up at rallies. Its also his looking the other way when violence does erupt. A leader has to step up and step in to halt the fighting. Trump is not doing it. @Acim this is nobody's 'spin', this is factual.

I disagree, I see it as spin.

When Ferguson was burning, you're trying to tell me Obama (or Hillary) stepped up and truly sought to halt that? In way that was respected? IMO, and I doubt I'm alone in this view, I think Dem leaders encouraged that ongoing protest, and sought to attach themselves to aims of BLM and the extremist elements in that movement as way to try and harness that passion and have it serve Dem political needs/power.

Trump's rallies, some of them are in vein of what you're speaking about, but there's also knowledge that there were Dem plants at those rallies who were there solely for reason of presenting a violent appearance and leaving impression this is all on Donald.

For more fair comparison, the type of protests we are seeing since Trump has been elected would be way to understand how things are dealt with. I think Trump would align with police chiefs on such things, but not allow people taking over streets, disrupting traffic as that's not part of first amendment. Yet, tonight and about 30 nights in past 4 to 8 years that type of protesting has been allowed. And it has been truly disruptive to people in that area. For sure to businesses in that area. Then have some on Left explaining it as if there's justification for that. If Trump tries to quell that the moment it starts (and is peaceful), I think it'll backfire. But if he allows it to grow increasingly disorderly as it is now, then that might be interesting for comparison sake, cause I see Trump disallowing it up to the point where it is allowed currently.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
Not even 24 hours after the Trump's election and already fear is setting into the hearts of the people. Today some professors canceled class while most others took a break from lectures to have a discussion about what had happened. We talked, ranted, vented, and even cried. Yes, we cried. We told stories of our fears, we really let it all out. I just wanted to share a few stories from my peers with you guys. I wanted to put real faces to these abstract fears, you know, bring the humanity into it. I'll be changing the names to protect identity, but the stories are real. They're the stories of my friends and classmates. People I see every day are being shaken to their cores by the harm already stirring, only hours after the election. So often we just hear stories that people are unhappy, but it's important to remember that there are real people behind the headlines with real lives, real emotions, real fears.

Abby is a sophomore anthropology major. She's from L.A., and she feels safe there. Her father, however, is not as lucky. He is living in a small town by New Orleans. He is black. He called Abby this morning when he saw what happened. He told her that when he went out to get the mail that morning, a number of people drove by yelling n***** at him, throwing things and shouting threats. She said she had never heard her father cry before but this morning he broke down, and she listened to him cry over the phone. He is afraid for his safety. She told him to get out of there, go somewhere safe. He doesn't know where to go, he doesn't have anyone to stay with. He feels lost, and afraid. He told her that he wasn't going to leave the house that day, it just wasn't safe to go out. Just take a minute. Think about it. Are we really returning to a place where people are afraid to leave the house because of their race? Is this what our world is coming to? I keep saying that word, but scary is really the only thing I can say about it.

Ahmed is also a sophomore, and an engineering student. He is from Egypt. His family is all still living there, and he goes home for winter and summer breaks. He sat up late last night with his roommate, who is also Muslim, as they watched Trump win. They talked for a while, trying to lighten the mood, asking each other what they think will happen to them now. Ahmed said he probably won't be going home this winter, and instead will be visiting a relative living in Canada, because it's safer there. He still wants to go home over the summer though, and every other break. He said he's worried that if he leaves to go home, he won't be allowed back in, despite having a student visa. He's also afraid that if he stays, his family won't be able to come over. He wants to stay here, get a job, and help his family immigrate someday. But he's afraid that because they are Muslim, they'll be denied. He's being put in the place of deciding whether to risk seeing his family, or setting up a good life for himself. He's afraid of getting harassed here too. Our school is in a conservative area, Ahmed said he's afraid to go too far off campus now, because he doesn't know what the backlash will be against him if he makes a wrong move. I gave him a hug after class, and we talked for a while. He told me, trying to force a smile, that he's been through a revolution at home and he made it out just fine, what's one more? He's trying to keep himself optimistic in the shadow of this fear. Nobody should have to wonder if they'll be barred from going to school because they're Muslim, nobody should have to worry about not seeing their family again because they want to go to school. This is the country we're creating. This is what Trump is doing to us, and it's only been a day. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say other than I hope we can make it through this together.
Maybe you are right. You better hurry and tell your friends Foxy Woxy, Cocky Locky, Ducky Daddles, Goosey
Possey and Turkey Lurkey.


Idiomatic usage


"The name "Chicken Little" — and the fable's central phrase, The sky is falling! — have been applied to people accused of being unreasonably afraid, or those trying to incite an unreasonable fear in those around them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny#Idiomatic_usage



 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
In other news, Trump haters have taken to the streets and are setting things on fire while promoting open rebellion. So remind me again, who should be scared?

So far, I haven't been able to find any reputable sources confirming any of this.

.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Dow surges 300 points; financials gain 4% after Donald Trump win

right there is a little bit of an improvement over the record crash after Obama was elected 8 hard years ago

But anecdotally, the jovial mood in my town was tangible, refreshing, a county, and state which went Democrat the election or two, had nothing but Trump signs as far as the eye could see this year. It's a beautiful thing.
While I'm glad the markets around the world did not tank, I cannot let your lie/egregiously misinformed error ( in green) stand.
spx-vs-obama.png


....and what the hey, let's throw in jobs too.....

jobs_110615_chart1.png



Everybody, just keep calm. Even though Bush Jr. did his best to destroy our economy, and get us into unwarranted wars that he refused to finance; our country has survived. We will get through Trump too. Then when Elizabeth Warren takes the presidency in 2020, we can haul our nation back into the 21st century again.
2014-12-13-Elizabeth20Warren2020money20cant20buy1-thumb.jpg
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
While I'm glad the markets around the world did not tank, I cannot let your lie/egregiously misinformed error ( in green) stand.
spx-vs-obama.png
A lie?
No....your graph actually supports his claim (sort of).
Obama won in Nov 2008.
Stocks then headed downward.

Of course, once the novelty wore off, recovery began early in 2009.

I don't put much significance in stock prices.
They only reflect what a tiny percentage of the market would pay for a share of stock at a particular point in time.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
A lie?
No....your graph actually supports his claim (sort of).
Obama won in Nov 2008.
Stocks then headed downward.

Of course, once the novelty wore off, recovery began early in 2009.

I don't put much significance in stock prices.
They only reflect what a tiny percentage of the market would pay for a share of stock at a particular point in time.
While I'm glad the markets around the world did not tank, I cannot let your lie/egregiously misinformed error ( in green) stand.
spx-vs-obama.png


....and what the hey, let's throw in jobs too.....

jobs_110615_chart1.png



Everybody, just keep calm. Even though Bush Jr. did his best to destroy our economy, and get us into unwarranted wars that he refused to finance; our country has survived. We will get through Trump too. Then when Elizabeth Warren takes the presidency in 2020, we can haul our nation back into the 21st century again.
2014-12-13-Elizabeth20Warren2020money20cant20buy1-thumb.jpg

We are one day out..

Obama's win in 2008
On Nov. 5, 2008, the day after that election, the Dow fell 486.01, or 5.1 percent, while the S&P 500 lost 52.98, or 5.3 percent; and Nasdaq fell 98.48, or 5.5 percent.

Obama's win in 2012
On Nov. 7, 2012, the Dow shed 312.95, or 2.4 percent, the S&P 500 tumbled 33.86, or 2.4 percent, and Nasdaq slipped 41.71, or 1.4 percent


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/stoc...-than-they-did-in-the-last-two-elections.html
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Sorry guys, you just didn't pay close enough attention, or you were listening to Limbaugh who was saying the market collapse was president elect Obama's fault....:rolleyes:. In reality the market (as explained by those crazy left wing moonbat journalists and economists) had been falling, then crashing all year before the election. Again, its a minor point, but just another insult that should not be let by.

Here's a close-up...Obama was elected AFTER the yellowed part.
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