Fear in the wake of a Trump presidency.

[Watchmen]

So far, I haven't been able to find any reputable sources confirming any of this.

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Then you're not trying hard enough. Outside my building protests broke out with people yelling "no peace" and chanting "**** Donald Trump."

Here's a "reputable source" talking about the vandalism in Oakland: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trump-protesters-set-fires-smash-glass-oakland-945875

Protestors in Portland have shut down the main interstate multiple times. That's dangerous. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...ers_gather_at_portlands.html#incart_big-photo

So, you wanna deny this is happening again?

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry guys, you just didn't pay close enough attention, or you were listening to Limbaugh....

I just used the dates & data from the graph you provided.
Obama was elected, & the market fell.
Sure it fell beforehand too, but it fell nonetheless.

Btw, here at UofM, students painted a sign which said "Kill'm all!".
(These were anti-Trump, not pro-Trump protesters.)

 

[Quagmire]

Then you're not trying hard enough. Outside my building protests broke out with people yelling "no peace" and chanting "**** Donald Trump."

Protests aren't the same as "riots", and chanting is a far cry from burning.

Here's a "reputable source" talking about the vandalism in Oakland: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trump-protesters-set-fires-smash-glass-oakland-945875

Not sure if the Hollywood Reporter is a reputable source (and wondering a little why you put that in quotes). all I know is that none of the major newspapers here in Cali are saying anything about "riots" or "burning".

Protestors in Portland have shut down the main interstate multiple times. That's dangerous. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...ers_gather_at_portlands.html#incart_big-photo

Still doesn't amount to "rioting" or "burning".

So, you wanna deny this is happening again?

All I ever denied was that there were any sort of reputable sources for your claims, and I'm still denying that.

If you come up with something worth looking at, I'll look at it.

Edit: Gotta take off for tonight though.

 

[Watchmen]

Protests aren't the same as "riots", and chanting is a far cry from burning.



Not sure if the Hollywood Reporter is a reputable source (and wondering a little why you put that in quotes). all I know is that none of the major newspapers here in Cali are saying anything about "riots" or "burning".



Still doesn't amount to "rioting" or "burning".



All I ever denied was that there were any sort of reputable sources for your claims, and I'm still denying that.

If you come up with something worth looking at, I'll look at it.

Edit: Gotta take off for tonight though.

I think you're being intellectually dishonest. It's being reported everywhere. Here's another report from the East bay Times. A publication in the thick of it. http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/11...ump-presidency-set-fires-vandalize-buildings/

It's also been reported on ABC and elsewhere.

What do you define as a reputable source?

 

[Neo Deist]

Protests aren't the same as "riots", and chanting is a far cry from burning.



Not sure if the Hollywood Reporter is a reputable source (and wondering a little why you put that in quotes). all I know is that none of the major newspapers here in Cali are saying anything about "riots" or "burning".



Still doesn't amount to "rioting" or "burning".



All I ever denied was that there were any sort of reputable sources for your claims, and I'm still denying that.

If you come up with something worth looking at, I'll look at it.

Edit: Gotta take off for tonight though.

All it takes is a quick Google search...

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/liberal-riots-trump-destroys-hillary-clinton/

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/11...ump-presidency-set-fires-vandalize-buildings/

http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/election-donald-trump-protests/

The far left gets defeated and all of a sudden they turn into animals. They are behaving like spoiled brats that did not get their way, and are now pitching hissy fits. The irony is that the buildings and the cars that they are vandalizing are from the area they live in that voted Democrat.

 

[Notanumber]

I reckon that Donald’s win will act as a safety valve to relieve the mounting pressure that was building due to the elite establishment not listening to the disenchanted population.

If HRC had won, things could have got nasty.

If Donald puts on his ‘listening ears’, we should do okay.

EDIT: Perhaps I should say, keeps them on because he has been listening so far.

 

[Perditus]

This hysteria over Trump's victory is hysterical. OMG, the last two days have been an absolute hoot-fest.

Meltdowns to the left, meltdowns to the right, safe spaces at maximum capacity, microaggressions off the scale, everyone is dehydrated because the Republicans are drinking their tears.

How do snowflakes make it from day to day without pharmaceuticals and a psychiatric team? Are there teddy bears and blankies in their backpacks?

JHC. GROW. UP.

 

[Revoltingest]

This hysteria over Trump's victory is hysterical. OMG, the last two days have been an absolute hoot-fest.

Meltdowns to the left, meltdowns to the right, safe spaces at maximum capacity, microaggressions off the scale, everyone is dehydrated because the Republicans are drinking their tears.

How do snowflakes make it from day to day without pharmaceuticals and a psychiatric team? Are there teddy bears and blankies in their backpacks?

JHC. GROW. UP.

A great many Dems didn't just prefer Hillary to Trump.
It was no mere picking of a side.
It was so much more.

She was good fighting evil.
She was Eisenhower to his Hitler.
It was the historic time for a woman to break thru the ultimate glass ceiling.
She was entitled to win.....she was anointed by powerful initialisms....DNC, NPR, NYT, MSNBC, CNN.....
The polls assured her win & Trump's utter defeat in a landslide.
Inexorable progress demanded it!
Trump's voters were evil incarnate.....uneducated white male deplorables!
How dare they rise up to challenge what is right?

But then there was the election.
Hopes were high....celebrations were readied....transition into office was planned.
And all watched into the wee hours of the morning.....
Uh oh.....
No landslide.
The impossible happened.
The enemy won.
She was denied what was rightly hers.
She won the popular vote, but the system stole her coronation & gave it to him, that Mister Man!

They didn't just lose an election.
They had both their reality & their dreams stolen.
And now they cry, rail, & lash out.

 

[Underhill]

I am nervous about many things with Trump but my largest, and I think most justified, concern is who he will end up putting on the supreme court.

If he ends up filling more than one seat with the people his supporters want (I doubt he cares much, but they did pay for him to get elected), the court will be more conservative than it has been in 50 years. We could see roll backs on things like gay rights, abortion and more, not to mention continuing the absurd policy thus far of corporate personage.

And this is not something a simple election could solve. We could be stuck with his court for 20+ years.

 

[Perditus]

 

[Jainarayan]

Whereas Trump has on numerous occasions encouraged his crowds to "rough up" protesters, and bemoan "the good ol' days" when protesters would be maimed or even killed for speaking up at rallies. Its also his looking the other way when violence does erupt. A leader has to step up and step in to halt the fighting. Trump is not doing it.

Sources, occurrences, dates & times, locations?

 

[Jainarayan]

A president is not only a political leader but also a moral leader, especially in a democracy where he reflects the peoples choice. When you elect a goon as president all the goons in the country will feel liberated and will start acting like him.

Two words: Bill Clinton.

Cigar sales soared and dry-cleaners got rich.

 

[Jainarayan]

We could see roll backs on things like gay rights, abortion and more

This is the sort of misinformation and fear-mongering that is being propagated. These reversals cannot occur unless lawsuits challenging the rulings are brought. The Supreme Court cannot go back and review its own cases and overturn them on a whim. The court has to have a legal reason.

 

[Underhill]

This is the sort of misinformation and fear-mongering that is being propagated. These reversals cannot occur unless lawsuits challenging the rulings are brought. The Supreme Court cannot go back and review its own cases and overturn them on a whim. The court has to have a legal reason.

You think I don't know that?

20 minutes after a new justice is appointed suits will be brought. It's happened every time a new person, especially a conservative, is added to the court.

 

[Jainarayan]

Protests aren't the same as "riots", and chanting is a far cry from burning.

There are a few reports like this mentioning protesters starting fires. http://www.ktvu.com/news/216585071-story

A number of fires were set on Telegraph Avenue and Broadway, and firefighters were called in to extinguish them. The protest had largely died down by 3 a.m., however.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...er-Trumps-Presidential-Victory-400509211.html

Protesters, who predominantly appeared to be students and other millennials, also burned Trump effigies, smashed windows of the Oakland Tribune newsroom, and set tires, trash and newspaper stands on fire in Oakland and Berkeley.

 

[Jainarayan]

20 minutes after a new justice is appointed suits will be brought. It's happened every time a new person, especially a conservative, is added to the court.

I think that's a bit melodramatic. Of course suits are brought. Anyone can sue for anything, but the SCOTUS is under no obligation to hear them, and in fact refuses to hear most cases.

 

[Underhill]

I think that's a bit melodramatic. Of course suits are brought. Anyone can sue for anything, but the SCOTUS is under no obligation to hear them, and in fact refuses to hear most cases.

Sure they do. But you don't think they will hear these cases if the entire makeup for the court has shift by 2 seats? Of course they will. After all, the Chief Justice was appointed by Bush.

And yes, I am being a bit melodramatic. It doesn't mean I'm not right in principle. I would put large amounts of money on the supreme court hearing cases on gay marriage and abortion within 6 months of 2 new justices on the court. I would put the odds over 50% after one new justice.

 

[Jainarayan]

But you don't think they will hear these cases if the entire makeup for the court has shift by 2 seats? Of course they will. After all, the Chief Justice was appointed by Bush.

Currently there is one vacancy. The current makeup of the court is four conservatives and four liberals. There's little doubt Trump will appoint a conservative. He could appoint moderates. Anything can happen and anything is possible. If he appoints a conservative the court would then be back to its pre-Scalia death composition. The next two that might be replaced are Ginsburg and Kennedy if they die or retire, both being 80+ years old. There would probably be a shift to the right, but that doesn't necessarily mean a Fascist regime. Roe v. Wade has been challenged and stood since 1972 under a variety of court compositions. The fact of the matter is that this is a done deal. No amount of hand-wringing, wailing or gnashing of teeth is going to change the fact that he is going to be POTUS.

 

[Underhill]

Currently there is one vacancy. The current makeup of the court is four conservatives and four liberals. There's little doubt Trump will appoint a conservative. He could appoint moderates. Anything can happen and anything is possible. If he appoints a conservative the court would then be back to its pre-Scalia death composition. The next two that might be replaced are Ginsburg and Kennedy if they die or retire, both being 80+ years old. There would probably be a shift to the right, but that doesn't necessarily mean a Fascist regime. Roe v. Wade has been challenged and stood since 1972 under a variety of court compositions. The fact of the matter is that this is a done deal. No amount of hand-wringing, wailing or gnashing of teeth is going to change the fact that he is going to be POTUS.

This thread isn't challenging his position. Obviously he won. We are discussing our concerns. This is mine. I think it's perfectly valid.

 

[Jainarayan]

This thread isn't challenging his position. Obviously he won. We are discussing our concerns. This is mine. I think it's perfectly valid.

The way I look at it is there's no point in being concerned about something we can't change. I'll bet hundreds, if not thousands of people are making themselves sick over all this. We can't change whom he is going to nominate to the SCOTUS; we can't change how the SCOTUS is going to decide an issue. I'm certainly not going to make myself a nervous wreck over it.