Fear in the wake of a Trump presidency.

[Perditus]

And another.

Liberals are peacefully protesting.

My fat a**.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I have a legitimate fear with Trump. The main fear I have is his supreme court appointments. If three liberals retire and he replaces them with 3 anti-LGBTQ people then they have the ability to overturn not only the the Marriage Equality but also Roe vs Wade.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

AND TO ADD SOMETHING while we I'm double posting. I am more afraid Trump will be impeached by his upcoming allegations and Pence becomes our next president. That is the worst possible scenario out of all this.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I have a legitimate fear with Trump. The main fear I have is his supreme court appointments. If three liberals retire and he replaces them with 3 anti-LGBTQ people then they have the ability to overturn not only the the Marriage Equality but also Roe vs Wade.

And Loving vs Virginia, which could mean a ban on interracial marriages.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

And Loving vs Virginia, which could mean a ban on interracial marriages.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or strawman. I doubt that anyone would legitimately challenge that today. If we were just one vote reversed we would have lost the supreme court ruling on marriage equality. He gets potentially 3 vote changes. That flips the decision legitimately.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or strawman. I doubt that anyone would legitimately challenge that today. If we were just one vote reversed we would have lost the supreme court ruling on marriage equality. He gets potentially 3 vote changes. That flips the decision legitimately.

No, I was not being sarcastic, nor is it (really) a strawman. When you can pack a law-making (and don't kid yourself, SCOTUS can MAKE law) with people who think like you do, you can accomplish a lot that might not necessarily be good. There are plenty of examples in history.

And while you are correct, probably not much chance of overturning Loving v Virginia, I can easily imagine lots of people who might want to make the effort. For example, consider a conservative Muslim community trying to prevent the marriage of one of their daughters to a Christian. Would a deeply conservative court consider the rights of that community to have their Shariah principles upheld?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

No, I was not being sarcastic, nor is it (really) a strawman. When you can pack a law-making (and don't kid yourself, SCOTUS can MAKE law) with people who think like you do, you can accomplish a lot that might not necessarily be good. There are plenty of examples in history.

And while you are correct, probably not much chance of overturning Loving v Virginia, I can easily imagine lots of people who might want to make the effort. For example, consider a conservative Muslim community trying to prevent the marriage of one of their daughters to a Christian. Would a deeply conservative court consider the rights of that community to have their Shariah principles upheld?

I understand what you're saying. I was just noting the very real possibly of having gay marriage outlawed in this country less than 4 years after it was finally achieved.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I understand what you're saying. I was just noting the very real possibly of having gay marriage outlawed in this country less than 4 years after it was finally achieved.

And I agree. I was part of the Canadian effort to first make homosexuality not a crime (happened when I was in my twenties) and later for same-sex marriage. Hansard (the record of the Parliament of Canada) even has some of my quotes in it.

And -- tragically -- I think it is a very real possibility that the US will lose it. Canada will not.

 

[Watchmen]

Thank you, Jainarayan.

@Neo Deist and @Watchmen

See guys? This is all I was asking for: a little integrity sans unjustified attitude.

Here you go

Thank you, Jainarayan.

@Neo Deist and @Watchmen

See guys? This is all I was asking for: a little integrity sans unjustified attitude.

here you go

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html?adkey=bn

 

[james bond]

The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared. That's the difference. Giving Trump the presidency validates these rhetorics of hate, and with hate free to flourish we may all feel the effects.

>>The difference between this and every other election is that usually when a candidate looses, their supporters feel angry whereas this time they feel scared.<<

Being called racist is just as bad as the n-word, other racial epithets and deplorable. Just because one party lost doesn't give it the right to start calling the people who voted for Trump names. It wasn't just Pubs, but independents and Dems who voted for Trump. He got the blue collar vote. What happened to democracy? It isn't a protest, but more like whining when their candidate lost and people take to the streets or want to leave for Canada. I felt reading your posts that the majority's voice who won didn't count. That you don't listen to what they say and only care about what you and your side want. That you just blindly blame the other candidate and not reflect upon your own candidate, what they did wrong and take responsibility for it. If you want to blame Trump, then I blame Obama. He is the one who divided this country more than any other POTUS I have seen. He had the people in place to help Clinton cheat and investigations blocked and billionaires (not Trump) run the country. The people who's candidate won and many in the Dem party will work to change this, but not you and your protestors.

As for being scared, it's part of being an American. There have been times worse than this, families divided for years and violence in the streets break out. I lived through it longer than you have been living. The difference is not being scared or angry, but what one does about it. Do they stick their head in the sand and ignore it? Do they work within the system to try and change it? Or do they just go bonkers and do something stupid?

 

[james bond]

In other news, this takes the cake .

Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves
‘They are saying they did nothing wrong, which is ridiculous,’ one Democrat says.

"Sexism. The media. James Comey.

On a call with surrogates Thursday afternoon, top advisers John Podesta and Jennifer Palmieri pinned blame for Hillary Clinton’s loss on a host of uncontrollable headwinds that ultimately felled a well-run campaign that executed a sensible strategy, and a soldier of a candidate who appealed to the broadest coalition of voters in the country.


They shot down questions about whether they should have run a more populist campaign with a greater appeal to angry white voters, pointing to exit polls that showed Clinton beat Trump on the issue of the economy. They explained that internal polling from May showed that attacking Trump on the issue of temperament was a more effective message.

They offered no apology for the unexpected loss."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

 

[Shadow Wolf]

AND TO ADD SOMETHING while we I'm double posting. I am more afraid Trump will be impeached by his upcoming allegations and Pence becomes our next president. That is the worst possible scenario out of all this.

That would set us back horribly far. Women's and reproductive rights, LBGT rights, Creationism v Evolution, sex ed., many things would be at risk. Honestly, I am way more worried about Pence than I am Trump. The Republicans have such a slim minority in the Senate that I don't see Trump being able to hold a majority there given a number of Republicans are staunchly opposed to him. Trump is going to face adversaries he has never known, and he won't be able to do everything he wants. Also, he does have the benefit of supporting some Left wing causes.
If Trump is out and Pence is in, the Republicans will fall in line and we may as well label America as a Conservative Theocracy.

 

[james bond]

Nothing like this ever happened when Obama was elected twice.

Yeah, I just saw this. These thugs are just cowards. They should be caught. Catch one, scare the sh*t outta them and they will squeal. And these guys aren't racists, right?

 

[Watchmen]

LGBT rights aren't going away, folks. Let's temper the fear-mongering.

 

[james bond]

More non-racism and non-sexism.

If you're a woman and voted for Trump, then you sold out the "Sisterhood."

 

[idav]

LGBT rights aren't going away, folks. Let's temper the fear-mongering.

It seems the conservative right will fight tooth and nail to either overturn what was done in supreme with for Obergefell v Hodges or fight for religious liberty laws, or both. With a majority no telling what they will do.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

LGBT rights aren't going away, folks. Let's temper the fear-mongering.

What gives you that confidence? The vice president himself stated it to be a major issue for the administration. The republican goal is to repeal LGBT rights and they DO have the power to do it. We just got equal rights for all americans to marry LAST YEAR! And it was decided by a single supreme court justice vote. He gets to replace as many as THREE! Only one of which is conservative in nature already. This is a very real threat. This isn't fear mongering. I don't think he will start WWIII with Russia. I don't think that he will manage to actually do mass deportations of hispanics. I don't think he will build the wall. I don't think he will tank the economy. I do think it is a very real possibility he revokes the marriages of millions of people who love each other.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I felt reading your posts that the majority's voice who won didn't count.

He didn't win the majority of people. Simple as that. If he had I think there would be less unrest. I don't think its ever justified to attack a person physically for how they voted and I don't agree with most of the protests but I fully understand the feelings behind it.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Attacking opposing voters when you lose an election accomplishes nothing except more bias.
Only an attack on the winner could remove him from office, and that is not helped by riots.

 

[Watchmen]

What gives you that confidence? The vice president himself stated it to be a major issue for the administration. The republican goal is to repeal LGBT rights and they DO have the power to do it. We just got equal rights for all americans to marry LAST YEAR! And it was decided by a single supreme court justice vote. He gets to replace as many as THREE! Only one of which is conservative in nature already. This is a very real threat. This isn't fear mongering. I don't think he will start WWIII with Russia. I don't think that he will manage to actually do mass deportations of hispanics. I don't think he will build the wall. I don't think he will tank the economy. I do think it is a very real possibility he revokes the marriages of millions of people who love each other.

Watch and learn.

 

[Perditus]

He didn't win the majority of people. Simple as that. If he had I think there would be less unrest. I don't think its ever justified to attack a person physically for how they voted and I don't agree with most of the protests but I fully understand the feelings behind it.

As I posted in another thread, we all know thousands of illegals voted for Hillary, so the PV is skewed in her favor.