Fear in the wake of a Trump presidency.

[Lighthouse]

It is not. You can be denied rights to adopt depending on your state. You cannot always cover health insurance depending on the state with civil unions. Other states must respect the marriages of other states but do not have to respect the civil unions of other states. It also does not cover any federal benefits of marriage such as tax breaks and social security benefits.

I really don't care what a meaningless word is defined as, and if it doesn't cover federal benefits and tax breaks it most certainly should.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I really don't care what a meaningless word is defined as, and if it doesn't cover federal benefits and tax breaks it most certainly should.

Words have meaning and to many people that word is important. If it is meaningless then why do conservatives fight so hard to define it that way?

Why define them differently in the first place? Why have two words for two different groups aside from segregation?

 

[Lighthouse]

Words have meaning and to many people that word is important. If it is meaningless then why do conservatives fight so hard to define it that way?

Why define them differently in the first place? Why have two words for two different groups aside from segregation?

It's not that I disagree. It certainly would keep things simple. I just personally don't get bent of shape over the definition of a word, so long as modifications were made where rights and equality were the same for all legal partnerships.

I don't know, ask them. Its pointless if you ask me. What I can understand is the argument to not be able to discriminate someone holding harmless religious beliefs.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

It's not that I disagree. It certainly would keep things simple. I just personally don't get bent of shape over the definition of a word, so long as modifications were made where rights and equality were the same for all legal partnerships.

I don't know, ask them. Its pointless if you ask me. What I can understand is the argument to not be able to discriminate someone holding harmless religious beliefs.

Harmless religious beliefs are not up for debate that I am aware of.

 

[Lighthouse]

Harmless religious beliefs are not up for debate that I am aware of.

Rights being taken away from LGBT's are.

My point is that it is dishonest to say Republicans want to take these rights away from LGBT's. They never said this. Marriage can be defined, and discrimination against religious beliefs can be implemented without the removal of equal rights.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

There was fear when John F Kennedy was elected because he was different ( the first Catholic president ). There was fear when Obama was elected because he was different ( the first Black pre aident ) There is fear about Trump because he is different ( loud and insulting ). Somehow the country survived before and will survive now. Change can cause fear.

 

[Revoltingest]

*Smiles, nods, . . . backs away slowly . . . *

....sneaks up behind Quagmire.....raises hand......

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Rights being taken away from LGBT's are.

My point is that it is dishonest to say Republicans want to take these rights away from LGBT's. They never said this. Marriage can be defined, and discrimination against religious beliefs can be implemented without the removal of equal rights.

I disagree. Its not dishonest. I mean exactly what I say.
To say oh they just want to legalize discrimination and take away the ruling that allowed them to have marriage equality. We aren't taking rights.... bull****. You know it too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

LGBT rights aren't going away, folks. Let's temper the fear-mongering.

If something happens to Trump and Pence becomes President, there is a very real chance, a very likely chance, they are going away. He's already tried it multiple times in Indiana, and had it not been for the Supreme Court shooting him down and legions of angry nerds, sports fans, and corporations threatening to take their money elsewhere, it would have happened.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Change can cause fear.

Funny, because one of the big drivers of this election was the desire for change!

But I agree with you, change can cause fear -- and usually does. As a "change agent" in the Information Technology realm (when I was younger and had more brains), I always told people, "The only people who really like change are wet babies." And to be honest, I still think I was right.

 

[Watchmen]

Like slavery!

This is the fear mongering I'm talking about. Watch and learn.

 

[Watchmen]

It is. It overturns a national decision and locks and guarantees discrimination of a whole minority in a good number of conservative states. Don't be dumb. You know as well as I that Kentucky won't pass marriage equality for another 40 years. As its already been mentioned what if we put slavery back into the hands of the states knowing full well they would enact it?

Republicans have no fear of that when hacking away at minority rights.

Did your son vote for trump?

Watch and learn.

 

[Watchmen]

If something happens to Trump and Pence becomes President, there is a very real chance, a very likely chance, they are going away. He's already tried it multiple times in Indiana, and had it not been for the Supreme Court shooting him down and legions of angry nerds, sports fans, and corporations threatening to take their money elsewhere, it would have happened.

Watch and learn.

 

[Nietzsche]

This is the fear mongering I'm talking about. Watch and learn.

It's not fear mongering so much as an example of when that "answer" was posed once before in this country, where once again the liberty of another minority was in question

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Watch and learn.

I have watched. I live in the same state Pence governed for four years. If your LBGT, it's been a tense four years. And the same guy who said religious bigotry is above my civil liberties and rights just got a huge promotion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My point is that it is dishonest to say Republicans want to take these rights away from LGBT's.

Bull****! Pence is pushing to do just that very thing, and he has in the past!

 

[Watchmen]

It's not fear mongering so much as an example of when that "answer" was posed once before in this country, where once again the liberty of another minority was in question

He's already comprising on Obamacare. He's not the monster he's been made out to be by the Left and the media.

 

[Watchmen]

I have watched. I live in the same state Pence governed for four years. If your LBGT, it's been a tense four years. And the same guy who said religious bigotry is above my civil liberties and rights just got a huge promotion.

Time will tell and when I'm right you can PM me.

 

[Nietzsche]

He's already comprising on Obamacare. He's not the monster he's been made out to be by the Left and the media.

I'm sorry, but you can't pin the blame on the media here. Trump made himself look bad, the media just repeated what he said.

 

[Notanumber]

Who is going high and who is going low?

Just give him a chance!

(the comments section is quite interesting)