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fearing Allah
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A muslim is required to be in the middle between hope and fear because we hope to get the mercy and heaven of Allah and we fear from his anger and hell.
Love can come together with fear. We can love and fear God at the same time and even this happen with us, human being amongest each other.
For instance, in my country they used to say about any great man in the nieghbourhood, the one whom people fear and love.
We must love God truly and definitely he love us more than our own mothers do love us, and at the same time we have to feel shame and fear him if we tried to do a sin because we know that God will be angry toward us unless we returned back to him with repentance.
For me it's so logical whether it was with God or even with human beings like our parents or anyone else we fear and love at the same time.
Love can come together with fear. We can love and fear God at the same time and even this happen with us, human being amongest each other.
For instance, in my country they used to say about any great man in the nieghbourhood, the one whom people fear and love.
We must love God truly and definitely he love us more than our own mothers do love us, and at the same time we have to feel shame and fear him if we tried to do a sin because we know that God will be angry toward us unless we returned back to him with repentance.
For me it's so logical whether it was with God or even with human beings like our parents or anyone else we fear and love at the same time.
seed757
Member
It seems that Muslims (per the adherence of taqwaah) should exibit a profound reverence and awe of Allah. Which, as it were, encompasses both extreme fear as well as love in order to balance one's understanding of a person's relationship to the All-Mighty.
As a chid, and even now in my adult years to some extent, there has always been a fear of my mother and father. Although I loved them dearly, I nevertheless still feared their retribution for my disobedience. The same applies to Allah, but on a far more significant scale of course.
As a chid, and even now in my adult years to some extent, there has always been a fear of my mother and father. Although I loved them dearly, I nevertheless still feared their retribution for my disobedience. The same applies to Allah, but on a far more significant scale of course.
john313
warrior-poet
if it is true love then there is no reason to fear. if we truly love Allah, we would not sin, we would strive for perfection as isa recommended and know that whatever Allah makes happen to us is what is best for us. to have fear is a lack of love. to fear Allah for fear of hellfire or fear of not making it to heaven or any other reason is to be selfish, and to be selfish is to not completely love Allah with all the heart and soul. If Allah burns me in the fire, then subhanAllah, that is what i needed at that time. Allah's plan is perfect. Allah loves those who love Hu.
to truly love Allah we would think of Allah all the time and everything done would be for the sake of Allah, if everyone did this there would be paradise on earth.
peace
to truly love Allah we would think of Allah all the time and everything done would be for the sake of Allah, if everyone did this there would be paradise on earth.
peace
john313 said:
All this brother john is a matter of : if ... if ... if .....
We are not perfect dear john, we want to be perfect of course but you have to face it, we are not perfect at all and God created and comitting a sin and repenting to him is part of out human nature.
Prophet Mohammed "peace be upon him" told us in the Qudsi hadith that Allah said if people on earth never did a sin so i shall create other nations who do sin and reprent. "this is the meaning of the hadith but not the exact one because it's from my memory".
Therefore, to claim that we should not fear Allah is to contradict what Quran and hadiths says about fearing Allah.
Here are proofs from Quran and Hadiths about fearing Allah.
Fear Allah Wherever You Are
Abû Dharr al-Ghifârî and Mu`âdh b, Jabal relate that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Fear Allah wherever you are. Follow up a bad deed with a good deed and it will blot it out. And deal with people in a good manner. [ Sunan al-Tirmidhî ]
The importance of this hadith:
Ibn Rajab says: This is powerful advice, bringing together the rights of Allah and the rights of His servants.
The fear of Allah
The Arabic word for the fear of Allah is taqwâ . It comes from the root word meaning to protect from something, to prevent. Indeed, a person exhibits the fear of Allah by seeking to prevent Allah's punishment by carrying out what Allah has commanded of him and abstaining from what Allah has prohibited him.
Allah had called upon all people in every era to fear Him. Allah says: And We had enjoined upon those who were given the Scripture before as well as yourselves to fear Allah. [ Sûrah al-Nisâ' : 131]
It is Allah's right over His servants that they fear Him as He ought to be feared. Allah says: O you who believe! Fear Allah as He ought to be feared and do not die except as believers. [ Sûrah Âl `Imrân : 102]
Ibn Mas`ûd explained what it means to fear Allah as He ought to be feared by saying: It means that He is to be obeyed not disobeyed, remembered not forgotten, and shown gratitude not ingratitude.
The fear of Allah is the path to forgiveness, salvation, and the attainment of Allah's mercy. Allah says:
Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who do good. [ Sûrah al-Nahl : 128]
And My mercy encompasses all things, and I shall decree it for those who fear Me. [ Sûrah al-A`râf : 156]
He is worthy of being feared and worthy of granting forgiveness. [ Sûrah al-Muddaththir : 56]
And whoever fears Allah He will pardon him his sins and grant him a great reward. [ Sûrah al-Talâq : 5]
Indeed, those who fear Allah will be among gardens and rivers, in a seat of truth near an All-Powerful Sovereign. [ Sûrah al-Qamar : 54-55]
Allah promises those who fear Him that He will provide for their needs and grant them a way out of their worldly difficulties. Allah says: And whoever fears Allah, He will make for him a way out, and provide for him from whence he could never imagine. [ Sûrah al-Talâq : 2-3]
This is Allah's promise. We should draw strength from it when we are tried in life with difficulties that tempt us to resort to what Allah has forbidden.
The relationship between knowledge and the fear of Allah
Allah says: It is only those who have knowledge among Allah's servants who fear Him. [ Sûrah Fâtir : 28]
There are two ways in which knowledge and the fear of Allah are related. The first is that true fear of Allah comes about as the result of having proper knowledge of Allah and His perfect attributes.
Ibn `Abbâs said about this verse: They are those who know that Allah is capable of all things.
He also said: The verse means: The only people who fear me are those who know my power, my might, and my dominion.
Ibn Kathîr says in his commentary of this verse: The only people who fear Allah in the true sense are those who are knowledgeable about Allah. This is because the more knowledge a person has about the Almighty, the All-Powerful and All-Knowing, who possesses the attributes of perfection and the best of names the more perfect and complete this knowledge is the greater and more total his fear of Allah will be. [ Tafsîr Ibn Kathîr ]
The second way that the fear of Allah and knowledge are related stems from the fact that the fear of Allah is to seek to prevent Allah's punishment by carrying out Allah's commands and abstaining from His prohibitions. Consequently, a Muslim needs to have knowledge of these matters in order to fear Allah properly. An ignorant Muslim may have a sense of fear, but he will not be able to fully carry out what that fear requires of him.
Ibn `Abbâs said: To have knowledge of the Most Merciful is to be someone who associates nothing as a partner with Him, who deems lawful what He has made lawful, who prohibits what He has prohibited, who preserves what He has enjoined upon him, and who has certainty that he shall meet Him and that his actions will be accounted for.
The whole complete article is in this link:
http://www.islamtoday.net/english/showme2.cfm?cat_id=31&sub_cat_id=710
Fear Allah Wherever You Are
Abû Dharr al-Ghifârî and Mu`âdh b, Jabal relate that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Fear Allah wherever you are. Follow up a bad deed with a good deed and it will blot it out. And deal with people in a good manner. [ Sunan al-Tirmidhî ]
The importance of this hadith:
Ibn Rajab says: This is powerful advice, bringing together the rights of Allah and the rights of His servants.
The fear of Allah
The Arabic word for the fear of Allah is taqwâ . It comes from the root word meaning to protect from something, to prevent. Indeed, a person exhibits the fear of Allah by seeking to prevent Allah's punishment by carrying out what Allah has commanded of him and abstaining from what Allah has prohibited him.
Allah had called upon all people in every era to fear Him. Allah says: And We had enjoined upon those who were given the Scripture before as well as yourselves to fear Allah. [ Sûrah al-Nisâ' : 131]
It is Allah's right over His servants that they fear Him as He ought to be feared. Allah says: O you who believe! Fear Allah as He ought to be feared and do not die except as believers. [ Sûrah Âl `Imrân : 102]
Ibn Mas`ûd explained what it means to fear Allah as He ought to be feared by saying: It means that He is to be obeyed not disobeyed, remembered not forgotten, and shown gratitude not ingratitude.
The fear of Allah is the path to forgiveness, salvation, and the attainment of Allah's mercy. Allah says:
Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who do good. [ Sûrah al-Nahl : 128]
And My mercy encompasses all things, and I shall decree it for those who fear Me. [ Sûrah al-A`râf : 156]
He is worthy of being feared and worthy of granting forgiveness. [ Sûrah al-Muddaththir : 56]
And whoever fears Allah He will pardon him his sins and grant him a great reward. [ Sûrah al-Talâq : 5]
Indeed, those who fear Allah will be among gardens and rivers, in a seat of truth near an All-Powerful Sovereign. [ Sûrah al-Qamar : 54-55]
Allah promises those who fear Him that He will provide for their needs and grant them a way out of their worldly difficulties. Allah says: And whoever fears Allah, He will make for him a way out, and provide for him from whence he could never imagine. [ Sûrah al-Talâq : 2-3]
This is Allah's promise. We should draw strength from it when we are tried in life with difficulties that tempt us to resort to what Allah has forbidden.
The relationship between knowledge and the fear of Allah
Allah says: It is only those who have knowledge among Allah's servants who fear Him. [ Sûrah Fâtir : 28]
There are two ways in which knowledge and the fear of Allah are related. The first is that true fear of Allah comes about as the result of having proper knowledge of Allah and His perfect attributes.
Ibn `Abbâs said about this verse: They are those who know that Allah is capable of all things.
He also said: The verse means: The only people who fear me are those who know my power, my might, and my dominion.
Ibn Kathîr says in his commentary of this verse: The only people who fear Allah in the true sense are those who are knowledgeable about Allah. This is because the more knowledge a person has about the Almighty, the All-Powerful and All-Knowing, who possesses the attributes of perfection and the best of names the more perfect and complete this knowledge is the greater and more total his fear of Allah will be. [ Tafsîr Ibn Kathîr ]
The second way that the fear of Allah and knowledge are related stems from the fact that the fear of Allah is to seek to prevent Allah's punishment by carrying out Allah's commands and abstaining from His prohibitions. Consequently, a Muslim needs to have knowledge of these matters in order to fear Allah properly. An ignorant Muslim may have a sense of fear, but he will not be able to fully carry out what that fear requires of him.
Ibn `Abbâs said: To have knowledge of the Most Merciful is to be someone who associates nothing as a partner with Him, who deems lawful what He has made lawful, who prohibits what He has prohibited, who preserves what He has enjoined upon him, and who has certainty that he shall meet Him and that his actions will be accounted for.
The whole complete article is in this link:
http://www.islamtoday.net/english/showme2.cfm?cat_id=31&sub_cat_id=710
john313
warrior-poet
The Truth said:
so was isa telling us to do something impossible in the gospels when he said to be perfect? why would a prophet, the messiah, tell us to do something that is impossible?there is no reason to fear what we truly love, if there is fear then there is an absence of love. there are also many quotes from the quran that tell us to love Allah and that say the believers should not fear, but i see no reason to post them here. fear is only the beginning of knowledge, we have to move past the beginning or else we are only spinning our wheels. there is no reason to fear Allah if we do not sin, according to what i see in your lengthy post. there is no reason to fear Allah if we do not need forgiveness because of intentional sins.
peace
seed757
Member
john313 said:
I'm not quite sure if a prophet, namely Jesus(pbuh), could have even possibly told those who followed him to be perfect if every prophet from Adam(pbuh) to Muhammad(saw) knew that only Allah is the only one who is Perfect. Which leads one to speculate that these statments could nowise come off the lips of Jesus(pbuh).
The implication of such a statement implies that he was lying, which I would surely not accuse Jesus(pbuh) of doing.
Fear is not the antithesis of love. Hate is. The opposite of fear is intrepidity. Meaning "flying in the face of" for example. Now I know the bible teaches "...come boldly to the throne of God.", but as for Muslims (at least for myself) we are to live a life of humility before Allah. This, IMO, is the proper station for all human beings to carry in relation to All-Mighty Allah. In short Muslims don't view Allah as our "drinking buddy" as it were.But as the sovereign Lord of all creation who is deserving of all proper esteem and admiration.
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
Asalamu alaikum, Remeber the prophet said concerning the issues with the people of the book Do not accept it and Do not reject it. We only accept what is supported by the Quran it is the criterion of truth. There is no way to verify if Isa son of Mary pbuh said that.john313 said:
when you were young when your father told you to do something did you do it? Why? Insha Allah you were righteous to your parents and you obeyed them. Probably because you feared the punishment. It is not Allah Himself we fear but it is the punishment from him that we fear. Likewise when a son obeys his father he does it because He fears the punishment his father may give him. He fears his father being disappointed with him so he obeys. if your father told you when you lived or if you live in his house that you would be punished if you did this and this and you did it. Are you suprised when you are punished. Did you like being punished. The punishment of Allah is worse than anything you could imagine and so is the blessing they are equal in measure. If the pleasure is more than we can imagine the punishment would have to be as well.
post them please along with the tafsir of the ayat if you can.
Fear is the the beginning of the mercy of Allah swta. If you had no fear a person may throw himself into harms way. Like for instance if you did not fear the hungry untamed lion and went in unprepared you could possibly get eaten. Likewise without the fear of Allah's punishment we would feel no desire to do what He commands. Why would we. If I pointed a gun at you and you had no fear of dying what are the chances you are gonna leave without getting shot. The fear is what gives us the motivation to keep away from harmful things such as sin which is harmful to you in the next life.
what do you mean hear exactly.
Brother we all need forgivness and mercy from Allah, How do you plan on getting to Jannah by your deeds alone. The Prophet saw said not even he will reach Jannah according to his deeds. It will be only from the mercy of Allah swta.
john313
warrior-poet
seed757 said:
Jesus did say that, denying everything that is not in the quran is a lot like those who deny everything that is not in the bible. i have never seen anything in the bible that sys we should "come boldly before the throne of God", what i remember of the bible says we should be humble, it is just like the quran, except the teachings of paul, but he was the antichrist, so i do not consider his teachings as a real part of the bible. i give esteem and admiration to what i love, not what i fear.
peace
john313
warrior-poet
his statement telling us to strive for perfection fits perfectly with the teachings of muhammad and the quran.Mujahid Mohammed said:
actually i didn't listen very well as a child. but looking back i did learn that if i would have listened and obeyed, there would have been no reason to fear punishment. if i would have truly loved my parents i would have obeyed them, and i would not have feared them at all. parents are fallible though, so what our parents tell us is not necessarily correct.a couple that come to mind are:
7:35. O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.
2:38. We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
these are the ones Allah guided me to during meditation the last couple days.
all we have to do is follow Allah's guidance and we do not need to fear. i try not to limit myself to someone else's tafsir since each verse of the quran has 7 meanings.
even if we fear the lion we could still go in unprepared. absence of fear does not mean we do not use logic and reason to prepare for the situation. our fight or flight reflex is still in use, but it is ruled by reason rather than fear.
the absence of fear of Allah, when replaced by love for Allah, would give stronger desire to do what Allah commands than fear. Love of Allah keeps us further from sin than fear. it would be silly to fear death, why would i fear being released from this flesh prison only to be sent closer to Allah? death is the end for all of us and we are here but an instant.
if we follow the laws of Allah and love Allah, we will not sin and will not want to sin, therefore we do not need to fear anything. the sinners are the ones that fear.
the best way to receive the mercy of the Spirit is to love It. this limitless love for Allah will cause us to do many good deeds. we will focus on doing good deeds because of our love for Allah and Hu's creation. getting to jannah is not a concern of mine anymore. doing good for the sake of getting to jannah is selfish. selfish good deeds are not as good as doing good purely out of love.
peace
john313
warrior-poet
The Rewards of Heaven
Many people speak of the rewards of heaven
They think of large mansions and dozens of virgins.
Feasting on the manifested flesh on the table
Drinking gallons of wine, they will finally be able.
Yet others speak of the feeling of being high
Similar to the earthly vision of the mind’s eye.
Lots of servants will be all around
You will be protected by a heavenly hound.
Oh Allah, I worship you and take this vow
With these words I speak here and now.
‘if my praise of you is for the reward
reject me please, keep me from my Lord.
If my praise of you is from fear of hell
Please send me there and burn me well.
If my praise of you is purely from love
Do what you will when I ascend above.’
I beg you Allah, before I’m taken higher
Strip me of every selfish desire.
Cleanse my soul of lust and greed
Anger and hate, I do not need.
Let my goal be the good of all
Remove pride and vanity before i fall.
Take away the difference of stone and gold
Remove the barrier of hot and cold.
Oh Allah, I beg you please
Let me feed the poor and save the trees
Oh Allah, hear my pleas
I’ll spend all night on my knees.
I humble myself before the one I serve
Give me only what you think I deserve.
‘if my praise of you is for the reward
reject me please, keep me from my Lord.
If my praise of you is from fear of hell
Please send me there and burn me well.
If my praise of you is purely from love
Do what you will when I ascend above.’
I love you Allah
I love you Allah
I love you Allah
Many people speak of the rewards of heaven
They think of large mansions and dozens of virgins.
Feasting on the manifested flesh on the table
Drinking gallons of wine, they will finally be able.
Yet others speak of the feeling of being high
Similar to the earthly vision of the mind’s eye.
Lots of servants will be all around
You will be protected by a heavenly hound.
Oh Allah, I worship you and take this vow
With these words I speak here and now.
‘if my praise of you is for the reward
reject me please, keep me from my Lord.
If my praise of you is from fear of hell
Please send me there and burn me well.
If my praise of you is purely from love
Do what you will when I ascend above.’
I beg you Allah, before I’m taken higher
Strip me of every selfish desire.
Cleanse my soul of lust and greed
Anger and hate, I do not need.
Let my goal be the good of all
Remove pride and vanity before i fall.
Take away the difference of stone and gold
Remove the barrier of hot and cold.
Oh Allah, I beg you please
Let me feed the poor and save the trees
Oh Allah, hear my pleas
I’ll spend all night on my knees.
I humble myself before the one I serve
Give me only what you think I deserve.
‘if my praise of you is for the reward
reject me please, keep me from my Lord.
If my praise of you is from fear of hell
Please send me there and burn me well.
If my praise of you is purely from love
Do what you will when I ascend above.’
I love you Allah
I love you Allah
I love you Allah
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
Now post the other side of the wing the punishment in hellfire and make dua to stay away from it.john313 said:
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
where is the evidence for this. From what source did Issa say this.john313 said:
If it is just like the quran then why do we need the Quran.
john313
warrior-poet
Mujahid Mohammed said:
it is in the gospels, i do not recall the exact verse but i can find it God willing if you need it, and i do not doubt that it is true because it makes perfect sense and does not contradict the quran.
the same reason we have the teachings of many prophets. everyone has their own path to follow. many prophets show the light in seemingly slightly different ways. according to the quran, the christians and jews will be fine on judgement day, they do not have to embrace muhammad, they can follow jesus or moses or whatever prophets they want. the quran is the criterion by which all other knowledge can be judged of course, but the truth is easily distinguished from falsehood for those with eyes to see.
peace
john313
warrior-poet
Mujahid Mohammed said:
according to the quran, those who are righteous do not need to fear the hellfire. if we believe that to be true, then why would we even give it enough thought to make du'a to avoid it if Allah has promised us the righteous believers will avoid it? i prefer to ask Allah to increase my love and remove any evil thoughts from me. i do not see the need to make du'a for something Allah has already promised us will happen, unless one does not understand or does not believe the word of Allah.
peace
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
Which gospels from what bible. what do you mean it does not contradict the quran.john313 said:
the bible states Lot commited incest and is a drunk is this true. The bible says Solomon is a witch is this true according to the quran.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. please give me the verse that says the Christians and the Jews will be fine on the day of Judgment. And they can follow whoever they want. Read surah Imran verse 85.
So what is the falsehood then.