Laniakea
Not of this world
Since you brought it up, and even claimed we're instigating #6, I thought you had actual evidence to support your claim.
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February average temperatures - disturbing
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Secret Chief
Very strong language
Ooh maybe there is a little. Here's a starter for you dismiss:
"The Holocene extinction, or Anthropocene extinction, is the ongoing extinction event caused by humans during the Holocene epoch."
- Holocene extinction - Wikipedia
Consider that solar panels also
cut the demand for coal in many
areas (eg, mine). This is a larger
positive effect than any heat
gain from their not being reflective.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
I apologise for instigating this stupidity.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Like the pollution from their manufacture (in China)?
Not your fault.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Ah, an extinction that isn't an extinction. Much like the extinction of human beings since they keep dying all the time.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Locally this is actually correct. But we are worried about the global picture. Solar panels reduce the burning of fossil fuels since there are an alternative source of energy. And when fossil fuels are burned it releases carbon dioxide which keeps energy from the Sun in. Do you want to learn how we know this? i can help you to understand the basics. I will provide the evidence for this you only need to be willing to learn.
It's all about which approach is
most efficacious....not merely
finding fault with what you dislike.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Since you have almost no understanding of the sciences you may not know that animals go extinct all of the time. It is the rate of animals going extinct that makes this a strong extinction event right now.
You should have read the Wiki article, and yes, sources are included for you:
"The contemporary rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than the background extinction rate, the historically typical rate of extinction (in terms of the natural evolution of the planet);[11][12][13][61] also, the current rate of extinction is 10 to 100 times higher than in any of the previous mass extinctions in the history of Earth. "
There will even be some that you can click on in my quote.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Locally is where everything happens. If every locality had solar panels all over the place to power everything, they would all be heat islands that contribute to the overall temperature increase on a larger scale.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Powering cars with gasoline has been quite efficacious so far. Running them on batteries hasn't been working so well.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Ok, now let's look at the bigger picture. Animals going extinct allow for other animals to thrive.
Dinosaurs went extinct, and now we're here. Be glad about that.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, local is affected by global issues. Global events set a base temperature. Local issues work on that. Right now the base temperature is going up all around the world and is already casing havoc.
I don't understand what you mean. What trick?
Renewable energy currently occupies a small percentage of energy use in my country (I don't know about yours, but for mine see U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)) and globally humans are still outputting very large amounts of greenhouse gases from non-renewable sources (see Energy Production and Consumption). Are you expecting the presently small percentage of global energy use transitioned to non-fossil fuels to somehow resolve the climate issue already? That doesn't strike me as realistic or reasonable, but maybe I just am not understanding what you mean here.
Laniakea
Not of this world
But local events are supposedly what contribute to global causes, correct? For example, running your car is local. A smokestack at your hometown factory is local. Both supposedly contribute to the overall global "carbon" whatever. Driving your car is not a global event that sets a base temperature. That's a local event, but environmentalists point to it as a leading contributor. So it's a combination of local events that are said to be the problem.
Laniakea
Not of this world
I don't understand what you mean. What trick?
Renewable energy currently occupies a small percentage of energy use in my country (I don't know about yours, but for mine see U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)) and globally humans are still outputting very large amounts of greenhouse gases from non-renewable sources (see Energy Production and Consumption). Are you expecting the presently small percentage of global energy use transitioned to non-fossil fuels to somehow resolve the climate issue already? That doesn't strike me as realistic or reasonable, but maybe I just am not understanding what you mean here.
The "trick" of solving the supposed problem.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, and no. Let's say that we got all of our meat from one species of cows. That is every risky because viruses and other diseases can be species specific. For example there was an earlier corona virus epidemic in the US that most people are unaware of. Luckily the pork industry took the warnings about it very seriously and the impact was minimal. Beginning in 2013 an epidemic of pigs began with a particularly nasty version of the corona virus that attack pork, not humans. It was nasty because instead of elderly pigs (I do not think that they even exist) being the victims, the victims were very young pigs. A common symptom was diarrhea and piglets would poop themselves to death.
As I said, it was well controlled because farmers know to trust the scientists when it comes to such things:
Assessment of the economic impacts of porcine epidemic diarrhea virus in the United States
Porcine epidemic diarrhea virus (PEDV), which first emerged in the United States in 2013, spread throughout the U.S. hog population. Limited preemptive knowledge impeded the understanding of PEDV introduction, spread, and prospective economic impacts ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
At any rate if all of our meat came from one species and it was hit by a disease that we could not handle the lack of diversity could affects us very strongly.