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Federal proposal for 32-hour workweek gets traction in Congress

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
6 days a week with 10 hour days actually sounds like a good work week to me.

No way. That a version of coporate hell and borders on personal exploitation.

It's a reason why the 40 hour 5 day week was standardized to improve the situation.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I have. I also worked at Food Lion during a failed union drive around I think '89 or something like that. We all had to watch a video about how terrible unions were. As a teenager I wasn't sure what to think about it.
Oh, so you were a scab. I'm a member of a union, and they don't do crap for us. A lot of these unions are very corrupt. I wouldn't be surprised if they're using our union dues they take out of every check to buy themselves cars and homes.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh, so you were a scab. I'm a member of a union, and they don't do crap for us. A lot of these unions are very corrupt. I wouldn't be surprised if they're using our union dues they take out of every check to buy themselves cars and homes.
Not sure I agree, because I worked as a temp (in the office) at UPS. The union did a lot for non-office workers. They had guaranteed raises the longer they stayed. Office workers were not allowed in the union.
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Your perspective is unique, I haven't heard this before. Why does it make you feel less human? (Not trying to pick a fight, im genuinely curious.)

It is one of the things which fills my soul with joy and just makes me feel like I am a human being who actually is living. The theological reason for this I see in God giving Adam work even before the Fall, meaning that the self-exertion is in itself good. I consider it to be one of the natural peaks of human experience, which include but are probably not limited to: being productive (all work falls under this, so does generating and raising children), being creative (has overlap with the former, but I mean creating art mainly or beautifying things and imposing rational order onto raw matter), loving in a relationship (God and man, for instance practicing mental prayer or spending time with family and friends), and experiencing/receiving beauty (like passively enjoying nature and such). I had thought of more but that is the reason. Reducing these things just leads in my opinion to a loss of self-worth among other things.
 
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Lain

Well-Known Member
If you don't understand why people would want to work less.... Yes, you are insane.

It is one of those things we are not supposed to explain.... If we have to, there is some major underlying issue.

Not surprising, I have always in all circumstances of my life had to have things which seemed obvious to others broken down and spoonfed to me.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
It is one of the things which fills my soul with joy and just makes me feel like I am a human being who actually is living. The theological reason for this I see in God giving Adam work even before the Fall, meaning that the self-exertion is in itself good. I consider it to be one of the natural peaks of human experience, which include but are probably not limited to: being productive (all work falls under this, so does generating and raising childre), being creative (has overlap with the former, but I mean creating art mainly or beautifying things and imposing rational order onto raw matter), loving in a relationship (God and man, for instance practicing mental prayer or spending time with family and friends), and experiencing/receiving beauty (like passively enjoying nature and such). I had thought of more but that is the reason. Reducing these things just leads in my opinion to a loss of self-worth among other things.
Wow, what a cool view on life. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do?
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Maybe, but I see your point, Personally? I would want to find some way to contribute as well. If I had a 32 hour work week I would begin investigating volunteering or maybe another weekend gig doing something that may pay less but I would enjoy more.

That fixes matters for a person, as doing that to me is still working so you are not diminishing yourself in my opinion.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think you are right, but can you expand: why do you think so?
All costs of businesses are passed onto customers.
Paying overtime for over 32 hours instead of 40
will increase costs. Avoiding that by hiring more
workers will increase costs.
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Wow, what a cool view on life. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do?

Art and crochet (selling these things). It in my opinion is rather unfortunate to have both of these for your wrists begin to vanish over time with the latter and sometimes with the former, moreover it is sedentary which is like death.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I like it. I have a four day week at ten hour days and it has done wonders for the proverbial mind and soul.
I have always worked four tens, since about 1980 when the federal government started offering that schedule.
If people want to have a three day weekend they can work four tens, but some people don't really care about having a long weekend and eight hours is as much as they can work.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Art and crochet (selling these things). It in my opinion is rather unfortunate to have both of these for your wrists begin to vanish over time with the latter and sometimes with the former, moreover it is sedentary which is like death.
Have you ever held a job in a larger business or corporation?
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Have you ever held a job in a larger business or corporation?

No, and I doubt I ever will even if not successful. I have autism and can not be in an intensely social environment for more than 3 months without it becoming vicious due to my defects. If it's a solitary job maybe but even then I'd much rather remain in my class and labor under my own soul than that.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I have always worked four tens, since about 1980 when the federal government started offering that schedule.
If people want to have a three day weekend they can work four tens, but some people don't really care about having a long weekend and eight hours is as much as they can work.
Happy B day btw!
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
No, and I doubt I ever will even if not successful. I have autism and can not be in an intensely social environment for more than 3 months without it becoming vicious due to my defects. If it's a solitary job maybe but even then I'd much rather remain in my class and labor under my own soul than that.
I understand.

The reason people here are resistant to working more is that... well.. corporate work is a soul sucking experience. Imagine that you have a job. The work is reasonable and you like it well enough. You have a good year and do a good job. The following year you are given more responsibilities and your job becomes more stressful. You may get a raise, but most don't. Repeat this process for a few years with increasing responsibilities. The only way to realistically reset the process is to change jobs.

This cycle is what corporate America is like. It is rough.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If you don't understand why people would want to work less.... Yes, you are insane.
I think it is because they want more time for recreation, but some of us don't care about recreation, as we would rather work and feel like we are accomplishing something.

Of course most people have families and friends and like to spend time with them and I can understand that, but that is not my situation.
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
I understand.

The reason people here are resistant to working more is that... well.. corporate work is a soul sucking experience. Imagine that you have a job. The work is reasonable and you like it well enough. You have a good year and do a good job. The following year you are given more responsibilities and your job becomes more stressful. You may get a raise, but most don't Repeat this process for a few years with increasing responsibilities. The only way to realistically reset the process is to change jobs.

This cycle is what corporate America is like. It is rough.

Well that makes a lot more sense to me, thank you for explaining it thoroughly. What I do is like what I'd imagine taking drugs is like, "euphoric," "soothing," "steady," and "silent ritual" come to mind to describe it, not "stress."

This also explains to me why I have seen so many people I know bounce around from job-to-job, I had assumed (evil habit) that it was some kind of lack of fidelity to their boss, but now I think it's probably this.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Happy B day btw!
Thanks, but it is just another day for me and I never celebrate it since there is always something really terrible going on in my life at this time every year. This year is not as bad, just my husband's health problems, but I never know what is just around the corner.
My husband does not even know it is my birthday and I am not going to remind him, if after over 36 years he cannot remember. That's okay though because both of us just barely get by day to day given our like situation.
 
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