Ferguson: Moving on..why none of this will mater...

[Sunstone]

Criminal courts almost never convict cops of wrong doing. The real trial will most likely be in the civil court.

 

[Revoltingest]

And it is not exactly telling the truth so tell me how is it being neutral. It says in that article that Officer Wilson has no disciplinary history when we know he was in fact fired for a previous police force.

Generally, anyone can write edits which are accurate, neutral, & supported.
If you disagree with the article, you may even edit it yourself. I've done a little
editing on Wikipedia & Conservapedia. (Yeah, the let a heathen on board! The
trick is to behave oneself.)

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Blame the victim? How typical. It is becoming a hate site because of the overt racism, Islamophobia and Anti-Semitism that is being allowed to run amok here. But sure I must be making it a hate site because I am calling out the hate. Right. Sure. Whatever.

You forgot anti-theism and anti-atheism.

 

[Revoltingest]

And it is not exactly telling the truth so tell me how is it being neutral. It says in that article that Officer Wilson has no disciplinary history when we know he was in fact fired for a previous police force.

Evidence of this?

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Evidence of this?

This point of her's has already been refuted. Here's one of my earlier responses:

Actually, it doesnt say that Officer Wilson was fired for causing the racial tensions but rather it says the entire police department, including police dispatchers and miniorities who worked for the agency were fired due to racial tensions. That's a disbandment rather than firing for any individual misconduct. I stress that because the article does not define what acts were done to stir racial tension, which officers were involved, and how could any Black, Latino, Asian, women, police dispatchers discriminate against other miniorities. If every single Jennings police officer were fired for being bad then why did they RE-hire 7 police officers?

"County police chief Tim Fitch tells KMOX his department has hired seven former Jennings officers and have assigned five of them to patrol the city. The change became effective yesterday."

Source: Jennings Police Department Now Defunct « CBS St. Louis

 

[Revoltingest]

This point of hers has already been refuted. His one of my earlier responses:

I'm aware of that, but I still would like for her to make her own case.
How else will she learn?

 

[Alceste]

I'm aware of that, but I still would like for her to make her own case.

She doesn't need to. Wilson's entire department was disbanded and fired, specifically because they were so notoriously racist that the whole department was not considered credible in the community they swore to serve and protect. Those are the facts. Does that say something about Wilson?

Obviously, yes.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

It's a direct quote. First he said the concept of white privilege is an "excuse" for why black people don't succeed in white society, then he followed it up by saying the "only other possible reason" is biological. I don't need him to clarify it. It was completely clear the first time around.

Since your disagreement with that argument is still uncertain, I'll wait until you've looked it over again before I decide whether or not you're a racist.

I don't agree with the view that any one race has biological superiority over any other race. Race superiority is a racially charged view. Personally, i see that both Caucasians and African-Americans have some within their groups that fail and some that are educated and succeed. All races if given a chance would fall along those lines.

 

[Alceste]

I don't agree with the view that any one race has biological superiority over any other race. Race superiority is a racially charged view. Personally, i see that both Caucasians and African-Americans have some within their groups that fail and some that are educated and succeed. All races if given a chance would fall along those lines.

Congratulations, you aren't a racist. Care to unambiguously retract your statement that the idea that blacks fail to thrive in white society for "biological reasons" is a valuable insight?

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Congratulations, you aren't a racist. Care to unambiguously retract your statement that the idea that blacks fail to thrive in white society for "biological reasons" is a valuable insight?

I was never a racist to begin with.

I deleted that comment of mine. It's also not about disagreeing with his entire post as you do; i only disagree with one questionable part about biology.

 

[Revoltingest]

She doesn't need to. Wilson's entire department was disbanded and fired, specifically because they were so notoriously racist that the whole department was not considered credible in the community they swore to serve and protect. Those are the facts. Does that say something about Wilson?
Obviously, yes.

So you speak for her?
Anyway, it says nothing about Wilson's shooting.
It's similar to how Brown's robbery says nothing about his being shot.

I asked for evidence of her claim.....

It says in that article that Officer Wilson has no disciplinary history when we know he was in fact fired for a previous police force.

What you posted is not evidence, but just your suspicion.
Are you going to next cite his divorce as evidence?

 

[AgnosticBoy]

She doesn't need to. Wilson's entire department was disbanded and fired, specifically because they were so notoriously racist that the whole department was not considered credible in the community they swore to serve and protect. Those are the facts. Does that say something about Wilson?

Obviously, yes.

Getting rid of an entire department does not require that every officer and staff to do something wrong.

Are you saying Black cops and other minorities in the staff were racist against other or their own minority group?

Can you explain why 7 cops were rehired at the department you're referring to if ALL of the staff were bad? How do you know officer Wilson would not have been rehired if he wanted his job back?

 

[Leftimies]

Yeah, it's completely absurd to make the legal standard for whether or not you "feel threatened". I can't think of a stupider law, given our mammalian predisposition to "feel threatened" with little or no provocation.

Case in point...

A big, aggressive four letter word spearheaded by F to you for posting that spider

It should be illegal. Tch!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

A big, aggressive four letter word spearheaded by F to you for posting that spider

I'm trying to work out a big, aggressive four letter word spearheaded by F...

Spoiler: Ooooh...I think I know...

It's gotta be a frog, right?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

So you speak for her?
Anyway, it says nothing about Wilson's shooting.
It's similar to how Brown's robbery says nothing about his being shot.

I asked for evidence of her claim.....
What you posted is not evidence, but just your suspicion.
Are you going to next cite his divorce as evidence?

I agree that Wilson's history is irrelevant. Brown's history is irrelevant, as well.

We have a bare bones incident report that doesn't say a thing about any scuffle, or really anything from the Ferguson PD. The incident report from the St Louis County PD isn't much better.

Autopsy report shows no gunpowder residue on Brown's skin. I think it's safe to deduce that no shots were fired at close range, so it reduces the validity of testimony saying Brown was shot inside or close to the police car, and it reduces the validity of the testimony saying Brown was shot close range in the head "execution" style.

Brown was shot 6 times, all from the front.

Fatal wound was through the top of the head.

I haven't read any forensics.

No sign of struggle from Brown's autopsy.

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The separate matter has been the ripple effect of how the community and the police department has clashed since. I think this has been the crux of the matter, since there is a deep divide and a lot of distrust between the two entities. Tangential debates have focused on the militarization of the police, the increased rates of poverty and crime within Ferguson, the racial divide between the mostly black community and the mostly white PD, and the lack of transparency from officials and law enforcement.

Everybody's got an opinion about these.

The media has begun to focus on other things (VMA's and Anaconda wheee!), but so far as much as I've found myself helping to pick up the pieces, coping with visions of multiple assault rifles pointed at you - seriously, folks, WORST VISUAL EVER - I've learned a lot. I've made so many more friends in one event than I ever have after a performance or seminar. From all different walks of life. From all around the world, too. I also found the resiliency of the human spirit after major trauma and life threatening situations across our arbitrary boundaries.

A member of our circle lost his life in these events.

I and our friends want Ferguson and other areas to have an effective law enforcement that can do its job to protect and serve the community.

We're grieving for the neighborhood. The anger and rage comes and goes, but there are more tears now. PTSD is rampant. That will take a while to heal, if ever.

Perhaps none of this matters to others, but the Ferguson crisis remains a rash of battle scars for me, and it's impact on me IMO will be life long. I think my eyes have been opened to a lot of issues around us that I have not noticed as much before.

All I can say is to everyone, hug your families every night. I hope you never see tanks in your neighborhood with your police force aiming their weapons at your children.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

I agree that Wilson's history is irrelevant. Brown's history is irrelevant, as well.

We have a bare bones incident report that doesn't say a thing about any scuffle, or really anything from the Ferguson PD. The incident report from the St Louis County PD isn't much better.

Autopsy report shows no gunpowder residue on Brown's skin. I think it's safe to deduce that no shots were fired at close range, so it reduces the validity of testimony saying Brown was shot inside or close to the police car, and it reduces the validity of the testimony saying Brown was shot close range in the head "execution" style.

Brown was shot 6 times, all from the front.

Fatal wound was through the top of the head.

I haven't read any forensics.

No sign of struggle from Brown's autopsy.

_____________________________

The separate matter has been the ripple effect of how the community and the police department has clashed since. I think this has been the crux of the matter, since there is a deep divide and a lot of distrust between the two entities. Tangential debates have focused on the militarization of the police, the increased rates of poverty and crime within Ferguson, the racial divide between the mostly black community and the mostly white PD, and the lack of transparency from officials and law enforcement.

Everybody's got an opinion about these.

The media has begun to focus on other things (VMA's and Anaconda wheee!), but so far as much as I've found myself helping to pick up the pieces, coping with visions of multiple assault rifles pointed at you - seriously, folks, WORST VISUAL EVER - I've learned a lot. I've made so many more friends in one event than I ever have after a performance or seminar. From all different walks of life. From all around the world, too. I also found the resiliency of the human spirit after major trauma and life threatening situations across our arbitrary boundaries.

A member of our circle lost his life in these events.

I and our friends want Ferguson and other areas to have an effective law enforcement that can do its job to protect and serve the community.

We're grieving for the neighborhood. The anger and rage comes and goes, but there are more tears now. PTSD is rampant. That will take a while to heal, if ever.

Perhaps none of this matters to others, but the Ferguson crisis remains a rash of battle scars for me, and it's impact on me IMO will be life long. I think my eyes have been opened to a lot of issues around us that I have not noticed as much before.

All I can say is to everyone, hug your families every night. I hope you never see tanks in your neighborhood with your police force aiming their weapons at your children.

What does "no justice NO peace" mean? Is that some type of threat from these protestors to engage in civil disobedience? I hope the kids don't have to see let alone hear such things. And if peace can not be kept then the police should respond with all that they need to secure the city.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What does "no justice NO peace" mean? Is that some type of threat from these protestors to engage in civil disobedience? I hope the kids don't have to see let alone hear such things. And if peace can not be kept then the police should respond with all that they need to secure the city.

It isn't a threat. It's a perspective/prediction that if justice is not present, a community will not know peace.

 

[dawny0826]

We have a bare bones incident report that doesn't say a thing about any scuffle, or really anything from the Ferguson PD. The incident report from the St Louis County PD isn't much better.

Autopsy report shows no gunpowder residue on Brown's skin. I think it's safe to deduce that no shots were fired at close range, so it reduces the validity of testimony saying Brown was shot inside or close to the police car, and it reduces the validity of the testimony saying Brown was shot close range in the head "execution" style.

The question is whether or not evidence suggests that Wilson acted within protocol. The greatest problems may very well lie within police protocol and current laws that allow for the same cycles of violence to continue.

The separate matter has been the ripple effect of how the community and the police department has clashed since. I think this has been the crux of the matter, since there is a deep divide and a lot of distrust between the two entities. Tangential debates have focused on the militarization of the police, the increased rates of poverty and crime within Ferguson, the racial divide between the mostly black community and the mostly white PD, and the lack of transparency from officials and law enforcement.

Without any disrespect, I sincerely hope that those investing the amount of energy that they're investing in protesting, save and harness enough energy to focus on solutions to these very problems. We're free to talk, but, unless we do...things won't change. There's no one with more influential power than the residents of Ferguson, through their votes, through their own letters to politicians, through their own grass root efforts in their own communities.

A member of our circle lost his life in these events.

I and our friends want Ferguson and other areas to have an effective law enforcement that can do its job to protect and serve the community.

We're grieving for the neighborhood. The anger and rage comes and goes, but there are more tears now. PTSD is rampant. That will take a while to heal, if ever.

Perhaps none of this matters to others, but the Ferguson crisis remains a rash of battle scars for me, and it's impact on me IMO will be life long. I think my eyes have been opened to a lot of issues around us that I have not noticed as much before.

All I can say is to everyone, hug your families every night. I hope you never see tanks in your neighborhood with your police force aiming their weapons at your children.

I am sorry for the losses of you and yours and hope for healing.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

It isn't a threat. It's a perspective/prediction that if justice is not present, a community will not know peace.

Why or how wouldn't they know peace? Are you saying that it wont mean rioting or looting, something which has happened already and you keep forgetting to include in your statements?

Here's what one organizer said, "If some of our demands are not dealt with, you'll see more civil disobedience in the spirit of Dr. King, because we're not just going to sit by and just let injustice be constantly impacting us."
Source:AOL.com Article - Ferguson protesters plan to halt St. Louis Labor Day traffic

What demands? What justice are you looking for other than to get YOUR way no matter what?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Why or how wouldn't they know peace? Are you saying that it wont mean rioting or looting, something which has happened already and you keep forgetting to include in your statements?

The rioting and looting is overwhelmed by the peaceful assembly, marching, chanting that protestors have been doing. I noticed you fail to include what happens the majority of the time, and would rather focus on that.

Your focus is way off. Have you been there? I have.

Here's what one organizer said, "If some of our demands are not dealt with, you'll see more civil disobedience in the spirit of Dr. King, because we're not just going to sit by and just let injustice be constantly impacting us."
Source:AOL.com Article - Ferguson protesters plan to halt St. Louis Labor Day traffic

What demands? What justice are you looking for other than to get YOUR way no matter what?

Every citizen has a right to assemble and to demand justice. You, me, every citizen.

Are you thinking that civil disobedience = looting?

Abhorrent if you do think that.