Few Observations

[Quetzal]

Nope, that is not true at all. They just recently vetted a woman's mother that was detained at the airport, just to please the crowd. The woman herself was a immigrant as well. And so, why wasn't she and her mother was thrown back on the plane?
Hillary's supporters needs to stop keeping up with the Kardashians and start searching for the truth.

One anecdotal story does not detract that there are several complications that are keeping perfectly viable individuals from entering the country. I invite you to drop the "us vs them" rhetoric and take part in the critical discussion at hand instead.

 

[bobhikes]

Making America "great" does not include violating some of our most treasured and cherished features that have always made us America.
Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

You have a right to disagree and protest and then vote in the next 4 years. You can write your congressman and complain. You can vote in a democratic house in 2 years.

I am not putting words in Trumps mouths or yours. I will make my decision and do what I feel necessary. All I am saying is that it could be far worse.

 

[habiru]

One anecdotal story does not detract that there are several complications that are keeping perfectly viable individuals from entering the country. I invite you to drop the "us vs them" rhetoric and take part in the critical discussion at hand instead.

 

[Quetzal]

This does not address my post and is off topic.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The country voted for Trump so how do you decide what's best for the country and more importantly how did he decide that she was best. Obviously a lot of people felt differently and even after his decision the bulk of his supports thought he was wrong.

Whilst this thread isn't of particular interest to me, this seemed strange or surprising. The concept of primaries doesn't really exist here (Australia) so read this as curiosity more than anything.
Were there Sanders supporters who thought he should support Trump? That's seems bizarre on the face of things. I had assumed he would have thrown his weight behind Hillary purely because she was 'not-Trump', rather than any inherent common ground they held (apart from party affiliation).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You have a right to disagree and protest and then vote in the next 4 years. You can write your congressman and complain. You can vote in a democratic house in 2 years.

It's not me I'm worried about. It's the American citizens who are having their right to due process stripped. There is no valid reason for this to have happened, and the only thing it will accomplish is making more Muslims feel more unwelcome and threatened, priming more of them for radicalization. The federal judges who did intervene should never have been called upon so that permanent residents who are innocent and charged of no crime were not deported.

 

[bobhikes]

Whilst this thread isn't of particular interest to me, this seemed strange or surprising. The concept of primaries doesn't really exist here (Australia) so read this as curiosity more than anything.
Were there Sanders supporters who thought he should support Trump? That's seems bizarre on the face of things. I had assumed he would have thrown his weight behind Hillary purely because she was 'not-Trump', rather than any inherent common ground they held (apart from party affiliation).

They wanted him to run independent, he actually was an independent in the Senate. He just became Democrat to run for the presidency.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

You understand the point is not the Trump is bad, it is that it is very possible the Hillary being elected could of created a worse president in 4 years. What was Hillary going to do for the Trump supporters to make their lives better.

Would you like a Ted Cruz type President but with Political support. Would you like a Trump like president in 4 years with popular support. This is the best outcome available unless you actually believe Hillary would have brought the country together. She couldn't do it 8 years ago and she couldn't do it this election. How would she have done it if she won.

"You understand the point is not the Trump is bad"

You didn't even realize that Donald Trump was a businessman, so how would you know?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

They wanted him to run independent, he actually was an independent in the Senate. He just became Democrat to run for the presidency.

Right...makes some sense.
I would suspect that pragmatically he would have had no chance, and would only have succeeded in splitting the Demo vote, hence he chose the lesser of two evils (in his mind).

 

[bobhikes]

It's not me I'm worried about. It's the American citizens who are having their right to due process stripped. There is no valid reason for this to have happened, and the only thing it will accomplish is making more Muslims feel more unwelcome and threatened, priming more of them for radicalization. The federal judges who did intervene should never have been called upon so that permanent residents who are innocent and charged of no crime were not deported.

The Federal judges did step in and as I understand it inconvenienced 2 citizens in total. A simple explanation of why it happened is President Trump and his people do not understand federal law. This is not surprising. The system works and in short time the citizens were allowed to move freely. You can bet that President Trump will make a bunch more mistakes especially since he has no Law or Political experience. All you can ask is that he learns from his mistakes.

 

[bobhikes]

"You understand the point is not the Trump is bad"

You didn't even realize that Donald Trump was a businessman, so how would you know?

I do understand that Trump is a businessman, not a very good one in my opinion but yes a businessman.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Right...makes some sense.
I would suspect that pragmatically he would have had no chance, and would only have succeeded in splitting the Demo vote, hence he chose the lesser of two evils (in his mind).

The fact is third parties do not win the presidency; you need the support of one of the two major political parties.

Donald Trump himself has bounced back and forth from Democrat to Republican several times.

 

[bobhikes]

Right...makes some sense.
I would suspect that pragmatically he would have had no chance, and would only have succeeded in splitting the Demo vote, hence he chose the lesser of two evils (in his mind).

To be honest in this election He probably would of had a chance. More people voted against candidates then for them. The independent vote was higher than normal. If he kept his base and they didn't support Hillary he may of actually won.

Edit: I voted independent and would of voted for Him. I liked a lot about him.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Federal judges did step in and as I understand it inconvenienced 2 citizens in total.

It's been more than two people, and even if it was just two, that is two too many. And I wouldn't call it inconvenienced, but rather many of them their lives have been totally disrupted, not even allowed to return to their own home.

All you can ask is that he learns from his mistakes.

I can call out Trump (and no doubt Pence because the Supreme Court has already shot him down over trying to keep Syrian refugees out of Indiana) for their callous disregard towards human suffering and stripping American citizens of their rights.

 

[bobhikes]

It's been more than two people, and even if it was just two, that is two too many. And I wouldn't call it inconvenienced, but rather many of them their lives have been totally disrupted, not even allowed to return to their own home.

I can call out Trump (and no doubt Pence because the Supreme Court has already shot him down over trying to keep Syrian refugees out of Indiana) for their callous disregard towards human suffering and stripping American citizens of their rights.

It was 2 Citizens the rest weren't most were admitted with only a handful not being admitted. You can call out who ever you want.

The fact is that the democrats will lose the next election unless Trump does something really stupid because they can't get past the minor stuff. Like you, they are not trying to find out what went wrong, why so many people selected a person like Trump over there Candidate. They are all deplorables and in the next election they will realize it.

I didn't like either candidate and can tell you the Democrats are not exciting me for the next election. Just like the campaign the concentration is on how Bad President Trump is not what the democrats are going to do for the deplorable.

Syrian Refugees are more important than out of work Americans and Americans that have both parents working or Americans that have work 2 Jobs to support there family. This is why the Democrats will fail in 4 years. We can take care of others only after we take care of our own even the deplorables.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Syrian Refugees are more important than out of work Americans and Americans that have both parents working or Americans that have work 2 Jobs to support there family

I can't recall anyone ever actually saying that. This thread is about executive orders, and Trump's executive orders are already having unacceptable consequences.

 

[bobhikes]

I can't recall anyone ever actually saying that. This thread is about executive orders, and Trump's executive orders are already having unacceptable consequences.

Yes and as the first reply to the OP I stated they were not unchecked but were checked by the federal justices. Then I elaborated on that and basically got attacked by Trump haters and lost track of the entire OP. MY BAD.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes and as the first reply to the OP I stated they were not unchecked but were checked by the federal justices.

Yes, and was pointed out that happened after damage had been done.

Then I elaborated on that and basically got attacked by Trump haters

Being challenged in a debate does not constitute as being attacked.

 

[bobhikes]

Yes, and was pointed out that happened after damage had been done.

Being challenged in a debate does not constitute as being attacked.

There was no challenge at all. I've heard it all before. To me its a bunch of empty complaints. Its like my teenage winning its not fair. That always annoys me but teaches me nothing. I don't like Trump but he has done nothing illegal. For some reason the democrats are actually worse than the Republicans were with Obama. Especially on the RF. To me its a tragedy because unless they stop focusing on Trumps stupidity, and on the actual reasons they lost, they won't win in 2 years or in 4 years. I really don't want Trump for 8 years.

Sorry for the lost, wishing you well in the future.

Edit: What Trump did was inconvenience people. I married an immigrant the government loved to inconvenience me. I serve Jury duty. I've had to go to court. I have a passport. I have a driver license. If the government didn't inconvenience me all the time I could work two jobs.

 

[idav]

There was no challenge at all. I've heard it all before. To me its a bunch of empty complaints. Its like my teenage winning its not fair. That always annoys me but teaches me nothing. I don't like Trump but he has done nothing illegal. For some reason the democrats are actually worse than the Republicans were with Obama. Especially on the RF. To me its a tragedy because unless they stop focusing on Trumps stupidity, and on the actual reasons they lost, they won't win in 2 years or in 4 years. I really don't want Trump for 8 years.

Sorry for the lost, wishing you well in the future.

Edit: What Trump did was inconvenience people. I married an immigrant the government loved to inconvenience me. I serve Jury duty. I've had to go to court. I have a passport. I have a driver license. If the government didn't inconvenience me all the time I could work two jobs.

Now it isn't about who lost or won but now is about who is implementing authoritarian policies.