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-Final Thoughts and Farewell-

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
So much like my thoughts and emotions. I hope you find peace, wherever you go.

I'm now struggling with a depression that is threatening to take me over. At least I recognize it and am working on a mental posture that will get me through the next few years. Ignore it all? Find something else interesting enough to fill the hole politics would leave? Recognize that, at least for a while, I'm in no personal danger and unlike many I have an escape route if things get really bad? Stay engaged and work for whatever resistance may emerge?

At the moment none of the above has much appeal. I will probably have to let the emotion run its course an just survive (mentally) for a while.
 

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.
I'll be sorry to see you go. I totally get what you're saying; I nearly left not long ago. I'm not American but can see what the rest of the world is seeing.

Goodbye and take care.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.

A sad time for sure both for America and for those who enjoy your posts. I for one will miss you, I'm truly sorry to see you go.

Au revoir et bonne chance pour ton avenir
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.
I understand. I wrote something similar on a different thread three minutes later: I was wrong - and that makes me angry.

I also am also more or less through with that mess. It's too painful to contemplate, and I just don't care anymore.

That's not completely true, but it will be soon. The grieving process takes a little time, but I'm my prognosis for America has been grim for decades now (before we expatriated 15 years ago) so I was already most of the way to acceptance, but this election rekindled hope in me. I had hoped that America had turned a corner, and I suppose they did, but they turned the wrong way.

My problem is reconciling this with the fact that so many better people who knew better will be as adversely affected as the MAGA who brought this upon themselves and their neighbors. I'd like to say that I'm indifferent about what becomes of the MAGA villains populating the neighborhoods, but I'm not. My sense of justice says that they should suffer and come to realize what they have done just as their better neighbors will, but I don't expect that until it befalls them.

MAGA will be dependent on FEMA checks, too as well as government forcing insurers to honor their policies when climate disaster strikes. Good luck with that. And they will have loved ones deported.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.
Take some time off.
Recuperate.
Visit us again some day when inspired to.
Auf Wiedersehen.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
(I originally typed this up last week, but my restriction didn't end until today.)

Through the democratic process, the American people have spoken. I’m disappointed and disgusted, but I’ve accepted the outcome and am making peace with it. An inept, treasonous, felonious, adulterous, bigoted rapist won both the electoral and popular vote. This is what America has chosen.

This result also reveals the true moral character of the people—or rather, the lack of it. It’s yet another ugly reality that I'm coming to terms with.
I was foolishly optimistic that decency and humanity would prevail. Silly me. If they want the nation to burn, so be it. Let it burn.

I love this country, at least the idea and vision of it: rights, liberty, equality, justice, secularism, democracy, etc. But it has ceased to represent these things (if it ever truly did), at least in the hearts of most Americans.

Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate. It has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. I would describe it as two sheep and a wolf voting on what to have for lunch—and still ordering the mutton. Clearly, people are too easily deceived and manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I used to enjoy discussion and debate, but ultimately it’s an exercise in futility - "you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - and now it's just a reminder of the smug, willful ignorance that will potentially undo this country. Once someone's ego and identity are entrenched in a party or ideology, no amount of facts or logic can shake it. Engaging with those of this mindset is unhealthy and a waste of time; you can’t instill intelligence or integrity in others.

Life is too short and crappy enough without stewing in anger or sorrow. When things are out of your hands, all you can do is let go and try to focus on the positive things and people in your life that make you happy, fulfilled, and content—even as the world burns around you.

Also, I think I’m done here. What more is there to say? I’ve been here a long time—perhaps too long. No doubt some will be delighted to see me go. I’ve learned a lot, and my perspective has evolved over the years, thanks to some of the influences here. For that, I say "Thank you." I only hope I’ve been able to help someone else grow in a similar fashion during my time here.

As my final message, all I can say is: think with reason, feel with compassion.

Goodbye.
What? No butting heads anymore? Hitting each other with tire irons?

You were among my favorite nemesis!
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Democracy only truly works with an informed, educated electorate.

This point needs to be emphasized regularly. Socrates death by poisoning is an example of the shortcomings of democratic government in terms of informed and wise decision-making.

Without an informed and educated electorate, there is bound to be more such blunders. Hence access to quality education and information should be the priorities in any democratic country.
 
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